Loose Change 2nd Edition: THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11

Yeah Ill agree with you there Pepik, That was just the victims list, what could be more insensitive then putting the Hijackers on a list of victims for the families? Real 911 researchers know that after the Moussoui Trial they released the REAL flight manifests which do have the hijackers names on them...but that is far from disproving that 911 was not an inside job. You do know many of those hijackers including Mohammed Atta were trained at US naval bases right?

 

Real researchers like who? Alex Jones?

Yeah, I am sure they were the "real" flight manifests.

 

hahaha this is even getting more ridiculous

:hysterica

next thing you are going to tell me was that the planes were attacked by a pack of chupacabras

 

Well, I am not stupid enough to believe that people with NO flight experience were able to crash four planes into 75% of thier targets, when literally dozens of professional pilots have stated on record that it would be nearly impossible for someone with even YEARS of flight experience to pull of such a stunt.

Some of you people really need to start exercising some critical thinking.

9/11 wasn't the product of some man in a cave on dialysis. THAT'S the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

 

But you are stupid enough to believe the hijackers are still alive and that a list of victims is a flight manifest?

Keep in mind, you are the one constantly telling people they know nothing and insulting their intelligence, boasting that you have done loads of research and that you are an independent thinker. Yet here you are repeating a cliche conspiracy myth - one of the oldest 9/11 myths - one which could be debunked in less that two minutes with minimal effort. Yet you don't make the effort. You claim to be an independent thinker yet your conspiracy evidence mirrors exactly what the popular conspiracy websites are saying.

But lets get back to your story about people with no flight experience. Didn't these people have commercial pilots licenses? Yes. How do you get a commercial pilots license without flight experience? You don't. Again, its hard to see how you could make such an error unless the total amount of research you have put into this is zero.

Yes, and you know where you heard that? A conspiracy website. The 9/11 commission report, which you've never bothered to read, describes Khalid Sheik Mohammed as "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks". And he probably arranged most of it from Pakistan not Afghanistan. Even if he had been in Afghanistan, why would be have been in a cave? Al Queda was welcomed by the Taliban, they had permanent bases there. Given the quality of your sources, surely by now you can see the point of reading source materials rather than letting conspiracy websites tell you both sides of the story.

Is that supposed to be a joke? We're not the ones who think hijackers are victims and peddling the tired old "osama in a cave" story.

 

I never have said that it was just osama working alone with his brainwashed terrorists.... and Ive said since 2001 that it was more than just that......

but to say that all those terrorists are still alive is absurd......

and I just love how you say you are a critical thinker, and like the person before me said, and Ive been saying for MONTHS is that you are the least critical thinker here. you reiterate everything you read on conspiracy sites. its absurd really. I could make up the most incredible story and have it printed on those alternative news sites, and you would believe it, just because you dont see it printed or aired on mainstream news. its funny. critical thinker, my ass.

 

Ok...I didn't read this whole thread, but I have a few things to contribute. Please forgive me if these things have already been addressed.

~The hijackers were trained at flight schools about 20 minutes away from my house. In Scottsdale Az. To say they had no flight experience is just wrong. They might not have been badass top-gun fighter pilots, but they did know their way around an airplane control panel.
~The film "Short Changed" is not the pinnacle of information some people make it out to be. There are some interesting points, but the filmmakers were so hell-bent on proving their point that they made asses of themselves.
~Chupacabras are real. Madcrappie you are an asshole.

I don't think that the towers were brought down by a couple of airplanes, I think there is some validity in the demolition theory. I also think that there are too many things that none of us "civillians" will ever know, therefore arguing points that cannot be proven is kind of retarded.


On a side note, Pepik, I am suprised that you have actually read the 9-11 comission report...that is some dull ass reading. Lots of people disregard all of the reports the govt has released, but if they are read carefully, there is a lot of suprising fucked-up shit! Have you ever read anything the Project for the New American Century has published? That shit is scarier than anything the Loose Change guys can come up with.

 

Im not saying the Hijackers are alive, I am saying their identities were stolen, even Robert Mueller of the FBI himself has said we don't really know who those hijackers were because they have much reason to believe most of the identities were merely stolen identities. And why hasn't BBC retracted the story? They interviewed a man who said that is my picture on the TV and i didnt do that.

 

Yes some of them may have used false names. That doesn't make them still alive.

So you would agree that jim fetzer, who started scholars for 9.11 truth, is pretty stupid for thinking the passengers weren't on the manifests?

 

I dropped the towers like two double dipped hits, only problem was the dose gave me the shiites, sunnis and such to serve as the paper to wipe off the devil's touch. I raised the buzz with elevation of fuzz and peered into the looking glass once staring back at me was a smiling faced wizard that rolled the constitution into blunts. And behold coming up fast was a strange scene not meant to last like how the vapor off gas will pass in the wind, it was a herd of tripping cattle advocating premeditated sin. So being the good wizard I am I escorted the class to the blackest of mass and let the trip begin. I am the anti-acid I am in deep penetration even while flaccid, I am your naievete focused like a countless swarm of locust you shall eat what I say to consume, smell the roses my silly children for your stupidity is in full bloom.

 

The people who hold the identities that were stolen ARE alive, where as the hijackers who used their identities aren't. and Yes I do think Fetzer is stupid for thinking that.

 

Source...thats tight bro.

 

The people who hold the identities that were stolen ARE alive... which, if were true, means exactly nothing. Who cares?

 

It would mean people shouldn't go around saying "19 hijackers did it from saudi arabi" when we know those are just stolen identities and we have absolutely NO IDEA who actually hijacked those flights.

 

Well, Atta was from Egypt, so nobody is saying that 19 hijackers did it from Saudi Arabia. And saying we "have absolutely no idea" who did it is totally dishonest and a ridiculous exaggeration, we have a very good idea of who most of them were, in some cases we can be pretty much certain.

Why not cut to the case - which hijacker are you claiming is still alive?

 

this may sound like a stupid question, but i think it's important to ask where peopel are getting their information. just for kicks, is anyone interested in posting their sources?

 

See the truth here.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30302

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21764

 

Well we live in a world where it's hard to tell what REALLY is the truth, the mainstream media sure isn't, so then you go out and look for other sources, a lot of them are credible and a lot of them aren't the truth either...even the well meaning ones make mistakes, but there is mainstream information that supplies the original questions which, from various sources, try to answer why, what sources would you like information for? Make a list and i'll hit you up with some sources that I personally think are legitimate at trying to uncover those questions, while a lot of people on this site will try to give you websites to counter it, whether one is true or not is a matter or opinion in the end.