Meat Products: Purchase VS. Hunt!

That is as well a valid point on your end..

Not saying that you are one of these folks *because you seem to respect life quite well* but you wouldn't believe how many people openly make that same point *translated into idiot speak however* while owning and frequently using a fly swatter.. hmm ..

Ahh well, But yeah I could argue on either side of this one.. Opinions are like turds... once they are dropped they are flushed and forgotten!!

I've always wondered *and it's shamefully ridiculous that I've never actually seen this* What the behavioral patterns of WILD cattle would consist of.. *totally off subject.. I'm in need of sleep!

 

the average day of the wild cow consists mostly or grazing, roaming, resting, and feeding their young.... you'd probably want more information, but thats about all i know on the subject.

 

Well, I think you're quite right. The only difference with cows at a cowfriendly farm is that wild cows have more space to roam.

 

Since you, of all people, would know how cows feel on the inside. Now tell me.. where did you develop this intuitive relationship with the bovine? Being able to read their minds is quite impressive.

-Mike

 

That's what makes human's different from animals. The fact that we have morals.

 

Now there's an arguable point.

-Mike

 

I myself like to eat meat. I think it is not anything else than something natural. But when I eat meat, i try to get meat from a biological farm, where animals are treated better than at normal farms. Although I think people should have a choice to chose from Industrial meat and biological meat, some in my country think not like this.
We actually have a specific party for the rightes of the animals, which currently are in our parliament

 

That's what makes human's different from animals. The fact that we have morals.

So you are claiming that because one being has "morals" and another does not, that being has some sort of superior value. My main point in explaining that you have morals, and a fox does not- is to convince you that YOU have the ability to rationalize and realize that what YOU are doing may not be the best thing, while a fox does not have such an ability. What you are claiming, that we are different because of this is obviously true, yet it does not give us the right to act in a way that is devoid of any moral thought or reflection toward those morally deficient beings, now that would be a misuse of something specifically entrusted to us. IF you will agree that we have heightened moral abilities, then why would we eat in a way that these "morally low" creatures act, by ruthlessly tearing through fellow sentient beings. Being morally superior does not mean that we have the right of way to torture an entire group of beings, just like being intellectually superior. You can not make such an arbitrary distinction and use that as a defining point in value, though I do find it ironic that you set this point aside, and yet use it to justify acting in a similar way to the animals whom you claim are "less moral."

 

Have you ever seen the domestic cows? They are possibly the stupidest creatures on the planet. You can get five guys, walk right up to them, tip them over, and besides letting out a 'moo' they won't do anything. You can tip over one cow, and walk right over to one five feet away and it won't even move.

This animal, more inbred than your average trailer park inhabitant, can't tell its own head from its ass (much like you, coincidentally).

Honestly, you might as well ask a six year-old with down syndrome to explain quantum physics.

 

Yeah, cows aren't too smart. Just because an animal isn't that smart doesn't mean it doesn't feel bad when it sees it's child getting taken away for slaughter. The cows still have feelings. Just like all other animals. I own 2 cows. And they aren't really that stupid.

 

The question wasn't whether they had feelings. They probably don't, but even if they did, well I still wouldn't care.

The question was whether a cow can recognize the concept of respect, and prefer to be eaten by people who do respect it. Considering I'm not sure this jackass can understand this basic concept, I think the odds are fairly low that even the smartest cow in world could.

 

The only point I was making was that you can't read a cows mind. Maybe a cow just doesn't give a fuck if some asshole tips him over. It's not like he has anything better to do.

And yes, the area I grew up in was close to many farms. I've seen first hand how stupid cows are, but I'm sorry to admit that I've come across many a human whose intelligence could be considered far lower. Case in point... you.

-Mike

 

It breaks their ribs and hurts, and even cows react to pain. They just have no forsight.

I'm going to leave off with two points:

1) Cows never evolved higher-level brain function, and aren't exactly chock full of the required equipment. They don't understand abstract concepts such as respect.
2) Thousands of years worth of domesticated incest has devolved a cow into essentially a walking steak not worth respecting.
3) The notion of respecting something as you kill it is nothing more than a trite notion to assuage the guilt some people feel over killing animals. Respecting something while you lead it to the slaughter would be like letting the Jews build synagogues in their concentration camps. Eating animals is either wrong or it isn't - respect (or lack of) isn't going to make it change from one side to the other.

 

I don't get what point you're trying to make. I never said cows were capable of respect. I just called you out because you were attempting to act as the resident cow psychologist. The thought that you could speak on behalf of the entire cow population was just a bit trite... that's all.

-Mike

 

when I lived in pennsylvania, I lived on a farm with my family for a while, so since then it's been a bit tough for me to eat certain meat. But anyway I do think that disguising meat like makin them into nuggets and givin them a nice breading kinda does help me take my mind off of the fact that I'm eatin something that once had the precious gift of life...its better than me having to tear apart a deer and seeing all the blood and.....ughhh...

But then again all that kinda crap does make me a little upset. I think that if I were stuck in the wilderness and had nothing to eat, I would go to the extent and hunt my own food so that I wouldn't starve or anything.

So in conclusion I'd rather not eat any kind of meat at all, simply cause I don't like to think that an animal was killed or that I myself killed an animal...call me crazy but I guess I love nature way too much.....

 

You're crazy.

 

we all get a little crazy sometimes........

You said that hunting in the UK is a lot different than in the US, what are the differences?

 

Earth to Grateful Veagan...we ARE animals. Maybe that's why you are always so confused about this subject?

 

Posted twice by accident...deleting....

 

I love eating meat but I don't hunt because I don't need to-simple as that-The stores sell fresh meat and if it has a few preservatives in it so what?-What dosen't -check your food labels-I have hunted with people that do it mostly for sport and thats wrong I think-If I lived back in Colorado in the mountains like I used to; I might hunt-But only to eat-not to hang on the wall-The food industry is not monitored enough either is the fish industry-So the best a person can do is buy from a private rancher or fisherman-My son is a professional fisherman-Some store chains are fussier then others when it comes to quality control on the food-Safeway is very strick on freshness-When I see a steak I don't see a face I see dinner-I am a meat eater and glad to have teeth!