terminations: in what circumstances does the male have a right to a voice

Up to 3 months only.
no ring, no marriage, no perfect guy=no baby for me

 

Any time the woman expects child support.

 

You didn't offend me at all! Sorry for the misunderstanding in the past. That day I snapped at you I got some really bad news-totally my fault.

hugs

 

No problem, I don't get upset easly. No ones fault at all.

 

Well, under normal circumstances I think men should be able to express their viewpoint, but ultimately it’s up to the woman.

Having said that, I think there are some circumstances in which the male has "a right to a voice". Here's a scenario: The woman has just fallen pregnant to her husband/de facto and is later involved in a serious accident. The foetus will continue to grow, but she is left severely retarded. In these cases, I think the father has the right to decide on behalf of his wife/partner wether she has an abortion.

 

The woman is only the conduit through which money travels from a man to his child and ultimatly to the cruel world. Child support does not confer obligations on a woman, they are an obligation between father and child; he owes even if the mother lies to him or even if she is dead.

Of course, if a woman wants to get a child support order from a court, she will need to show that she didn't abort the pregnancy in question.

 

Bravo MikeE...that reminds me of a friend's situation after her parents' divorced...when she went off to college her father still owed child support up until she was done school. He had to pay it directly to HER. No mother involved there....

 

I work for a construction company years ago doing payroll a man was still paying his kids he was 60 and the kids where in their 40's they went after him because he never gave their mother anything. Half of his check went to pay child support.

 

I think under all circumstances the male should have an opinion and voice it to the woman who should at least consider his opinion before making the ultimate decision - which is hers alone to make. However if, for example, the woman carrying the baby is unable to give an opinion through illness or accident where her life and/or that of the child is in danger his voice should be taken as indicative of the mothers wishes. In all circumstances where the mother is capable of deciding - then it is her choice alone but I think out of common and pure human decency she should at least give the partner a fair hearing before making any decision.

That sounds fair doesnt it that the woman should have the final choice unless she becomes incapacitated in some way that means the male should then become involved in the decision - but if she's not incapacitated she should at least listen to the males wishes before making that decision.

 

i totally concur, columbo.

 

As is a woman claiming she was practicing some form of birth control but was not.

In some legal circles the term 'profit center' is frequently heard in these instances...


I can give more examples but I'm certain they won't fly any further
than this example of 'scary shit'/ profit centerswhich all boils down to inequalities of the sexes.

 

^Are you implying that the income from child support less the cost of raising a child gives a woman an economic incentive to trick a man into fatherhood?

What have you been smoking and do you know where I can get some?

 

Is it safe to assume you are not trying to be a smartass or just fell off the turnip truck?

If so I'll continue.
If not feel free to reimburse me the bucks I'm out...

My exwife did it to both me and a previous ex.
The courts in both Texas and Oklahoma allowed her to 'blow' the child support on herself leaving me to support not only my children but my stepchildren w/funds above and beyond the court ordered amounts even w/verifiable evidence of her financial indisgressions.

Fortunately for my children the court ordered support order was temporary.
The stepchildren shortly became of the age - support was no longer applicable.

This is not an isolated incident.
Ask any decent/ experienced family law (divorce) judge/ master/ attorney et al...

 

I wouldn't give the mom one cent.

At the same time, I'd fight my ass off for custody. If the mom can't afford the kid, she shouldn't raise the kid. If she can, then I'd want half-custody and still wouldn't give anything to the mom.

 

At the risk of drawing this thread further off topic (men's role in the abortion decison), I've heard of similar cases, but the bulk of anecdotal evidence that I have heard suggests that the custodial parent is ususaly the one who suffers financialy. I firmly reject the contention that public policy should be based on the assumption that women get pregnant for the financial benifits.

 

I truely believe you are a good person with a very jaded view on women. A lot of men feel the same way and have the same sort of spite.

I agree in a sense that I did not have a child my bf at the time did not want to support but I was doing it because it was the best thing for me as well and I was not yet willing to be a mom and he was still a little boy in the head. He even admitted that without shame hah.
Then I look at men like my ex fiance who can financially support a family easily but want a barefoot and pregnant wife.
I think it's a messed up situation for both sexes. There are fucked up women who exploit their baby daddies and there are fucked up men who are not the type to step up to the plate.
For me now the simpielist solution is keeping my legs closed as I was tricked in being pregnant once and have not met anyone who i would want to be linked for life in that way yet.
Men do trick women into pregnancy-I am living proof of that. It goes both ways.
We're all messed up there's no denying that by saying women or men always do the right thing, because neither of us do.
Although I do not agree with you completley i also know having a uterus does not make me always right and entitled when it comes to bringing a child into this world.

 

That's well within your Rights...
just as you have the Right to stick your Head in the sand.

Spend some time around the family law centers before you make a final decision.

You'll be surprized... I was.

 

I think the male should get a say but in the end it is up to the woman to decided what SHE wants to do. No one has the right to decide what she does.

 

Just a comment on the "if the mother were in an accident and was left brain damaged" bit...

If the couple are married, the law assumes the child is the husband's. He is then next of kin, and gets to make any major medical decisions.

If they are not married, that decision should fall on the woman's next of kin.