Where and how then all you atheists?

Tell me, what came first the chicken or the egg? Where did our whole solar system and unverse come about? Where did the oxygen we breath originate? How do i have a brain that can think,imagine,dream, and so on. Why is there matter and energy? How does all the functions in your body work as a factory to keep you alive and healthy? Defaintly "the big bang" right? Lmao.

We were put on this earth to feel sadness,hurt, and human pleasures. More importantly, we are here to thank God for giving us breath. We all chose to enter this cruel world under our own free will in heaven to feel what its like to live the human life w/o the feeling of pure unconditional love and warmth God gives us in heaven. More or less "a break". The purpose for life is to love one another as yourself, obey the lords word (the bible). God has a personal purpose for everyone, and if you dont ask and fulfill it, then you have failed your duty as a human, but the lord will not judge you in heaven for he loves everyone no matter what. The Bible is here to help us live the way God intended it.


People say that believing in a god w/o any proof is absurd. Ya know whats actually absurd and atheists dont know? That this earth we are living on is proof of Gods existence. If anyone thinks that we could get all the stuff i mentioned above out of absoulutly nothing is just plain dumb.

 

christians really need to wake up, and stop thinking in just one way, that the earth was put here just for us, i call bullshit. i believe that theres is nothing special about this planet, the only thing special is that it landed in an orbit that could sustain life, create air and water, the climate eventually adjusted, and life eventually began to grow from meteorite debris and such, like bacteria. eventually over time the life and environment would adjust and evolve, so on and so on. and eventually it became a living planet, but the dumbass ppl inhabiting it cant grasp any different ideas or theories other than a "god" created this seemingly perfect planet. Ha, i dont wanna explain any further for now, but christians can either wake up or waste there life in delusion.

 

Youll know the truth sometime sir. Tell me, who created energy? The law in physics quotes "energy cannot be created nor destroyed". But..it had to come from somewhere right? I love how nobody is resoponding to my post because they have no answer.

 

They don't believe any of it from nothing. Just that the materials allways existed and by random chance they eventually came out to be the way it is. If your going to pick a fight with the athiests your going to have to try harder than that. Why does the universe need a maker? That is the real question here. God can't be proven with the material world or observation becuase we can't freaking see God, God does not talk to us, and God does not work in our daliy lives. God can only be proven by reason and reason alone.

 

Some atheists need to realize most of those in the world who believe aren't Christian...
Most don't subscribe to any given fundamentalist dogma, either. They simply believe that in some way, somehow, a divine being or force had to make everything begin, and is why everything is still going and not simply slamming to a stop.


Beyond that, while I'm no atheist - I would say that this isn't the best way to argue them. Telling an atheist "prove god -didn't- create the universe" is tantamount to an atheist telling you to prove god did create it. Neither argument can be proved.

 

so your logic...

The Universe needs a creator.
But God doesn't need a creator. (she was always here)
But it's impossible for the Universe to always have been here.

DOUBLE STANDARD!
This is a 3rd grade debate man.

 

Not so. The issue of an empirical event needing an empirical cause is very different from a non-empirical event not needing a cause. I have a thread going on the issue of time not being infinite (so the universe *can't* be eternal). Feel free to respond to it.

 

God had to come from somewhere, right? God can't just be there, can't create himself/herself, etc, same as what you're saying about matter and energy. MonCul is very right.

 

Says who? God would defy any laws of nature and any logic humans would ever be able to think of.

 

1. Who are you to say that?

2. This isn't a law of nature. There's no law saying things must begin. The issue is that my saying god must have come from somewhere holds the same weight as saying matter and energy must come from somewhere. Or more. Because god, if he exists as you fellows have defined him, is a concious, intelligent being. If the chances of matter and energy appearing out of nothing are one in a billion, then the chances would be about 500 quintillion for a concious, intelligent, loving being with the power to create and destroy universes to appear out of nothing.

 

what if god is the universe?

 

lol could be...

 

how about not believing anything.

 

Please take a step back for a moment. When you say "athiests," what definition of athiesm are you using? The simple lack of belief in deities, or an overall rejection of theism? One can be spiritual and lack the belief of a mythical God, Goddess, etc. In fact, one can be very aware of the subtle nature of the kosmos and the scientific nature of the cosmos.

The problem you may or may not be digging at, but has nevertheless created this misunderstanding of athiesm, is the emergence of modern and postmodern perceptions. Religion, as we are aware, began in the premodern era. Metaphysics, which was used to describe existence, reigned supreme. There was nothing wrong with this, per say. We perceived specific things we thought to be true and assumed were absolute and real as, say our own bodies, (Sin, samsara, God, reincarnation, etc.) These things, however, fell to pieces when modern thought arised. When critical and objective thought arose, the premodern era couldn't hold a candle to it.

The next era was of course, postmodernism. This rejected the notion of the absolute rationality and objectivity, questioning that idealism as relative and cultural, hardly universal. So too did they reject premodernism, which, to say the least, was largely based on cultural conditioning and relativism.

So, what are we left with? One hand calls the bluff as cultural, the other as merely not scientific, rational. What we have to see is that there are important pieces in predmodern, modern, and postmodern perceptions. But what we can't do is attempt to defend one with "My way or highway" mentality, because the picture is, bluntly, quite bigger than that.

 

since the beginning of time humans have been creating myths to explain the unexplained. before humans knew why the weather changed people of norway believed in a god named thor. they had many gods, and thor was worshipped as the god of fertility. they believed that thor swinging his hammer caused it to thunder and rain. when there was drought they believed thors hammer had been stolen by giants. every different culture throughout history has made up myths and one by one are destroyed by reasoning and science. we now know that rain is caused by evaporated water gathering into clouds etc etc. so we know that thor doesnt exist. imagine how much humans dont know, there are explanations out there just waiting to be uncovered or will mabey never be uncovered. look at how much humans have discorvered over the past 100 years, and how much more we can learn in the future if we dont destroy ourselves. human reason is more strong than you might think. human reason has accuratly predicted solar eclipses, predicted elements before they were even discovered, the theory of the atom was made before we had microscopes that could see atoms. athiests have gone through all the same persecutions that christians have, many atheists have been put to death for rebeling against the gods. and you dont realize this but if it wasnt for athiests that proved the earlier myths wrong with science and reason youd probably still be sacrificing goats to your hundreds of gods to bring yourself good fortune. you dont have to turn to religion to explain what you dont know. i have excepted the fact that i dont know very much at all about the universe. it doesnt mean an explanation doesnt exist, we just dont know it yet. i believe hundreds mabey thousands of years down the road God, allah, buddah, and all of them will just be another thor or zues. and i doubt you even have a full understanding of the "big bang", its more than just gases exploding and creating the universe. go to this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang , the theory of the big bang is so complex i doubt you will even understand the theory. you shouldnt laugh at the theorys made by atheists if you dont even understand them. if you were an expert in astrophysics, cosmology, astronomy, biology, chemistry and still believe all the theorys are bs than go ahead in laugh at my face. but i highly doubt you have the slightest bit of knowledge about any of those subjects.

now that ive said all that i just want to add that i do not care what you believe and am just stating my opinion. and if your trying to spread the word of god your not going to be succesful by laughing at our theorys, calling us dumb and making an ass out of yourself. you all think atheists are just out to get you but you dont relize that most of us dont give a shit, and you get all defencive about it and make complete asses out of your selves.

 

Well, I'm pretty sure eggs were around before chickens....or do you mean chicken eggs specifically?

 

No you are wrong. The real absurdity is in expecting non scientists to cover about 20 different fields of highly specialised science - I suggest you read some science books and /or study science yourself. They will tell you that all those things can be answered and are being answered EEEERRRRRMMMM!
Unlike prayers of course which are completely absurd and never get anwswered

 

There is no right answer, you can believe in a god or a higher power or you can believe in science. Judgement day is coming wether its religious or not.

 

yeah man I know a good artist that can make one of those placards for you - you can waer it on your shoulders and it will say "THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH"!
ha ha ha !
If the end of the world is coming - dont sit there praying go out and enjoy yourself you fool - eat some cream cakes but dont go home afterwards and whip yourself for repentance of the pleasure

 

Here's the answers yahoo gives from people asking the same question


I'm not a believer, but let's use the story of Adam & Eve to decide. Good a method as any, eh?

Adam and Eve came into the world whole. Eve may have been made from Adam, but she simply popped up, fully grown.

It seems likely that the same thing would happen to animals. The first animal would appear fully grown.

Here's a better argument - if the egg came first, who kept it warm so it would hatch?
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Which came first - the chicken or the egg? "The chicken" came first - in the sentence of the question. If the question is phrased differently, the answer is different.
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The reason this question has been around for so long, and asked so many times, is because it basically asks what you believe.
If you believe in the Judeo-Christian (and I think Muslim too) version of creation, then the chicken came first. It was created out of nothing by god, then laid the egg to make the next generation of chickens.
If you believe in evolution, the egg came first. The first chicken egg was laid by a creature that was almost, but not quite, a chicken. The embryo in the egg was a mutated version of this predecessor, and happened to be just a bit better suited to continued existence, and propagated the species now known as "chickens".