products made in same factory as animal products...

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by sweetdreadlover, Dec 9, 2006.

  1. sweetdreadlover

    sweetdreadlover TattooedRainbowGurl

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    um whats a good idea when it comes to something labeled for instance made in the same factory as egg products so forth and so on???
     
    sweetdreadlover, Dec 9, 2006
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  3. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    welcome to the world of what are your personal limits!

    since I see the benefit of a company making $$ on those products made for the strict veg market (in hopes they will continue to do so to make the veg path easier for others), I will use them.
    one thing to remember is thar the US labelling is very recent and therefore some products might not yet have the allergy labels, making it look like their factory dos not process those items, when in fact, the majority of processing plants have various allergens.

    I know I harp on this, but Kosher Parve is a good label to look for, as at least some outside source is watching for contamination. common labels are a K or a U inside and O and the word parve next to it.
    D means dairy, btw.
    not all products/ companies have kashrut certification. and some things you don't immediately expect do, like dishwashing soap.

    I'm lacto in dietary but strict with vanity products (that seems the most wasteful use of animals lives to me). I will eat products that are manufactured on machinery with eggs, only because I know that the more the egg and dairy less products are purchased, the longer they stay in production, and damn it, sometimes and easy dinner is a lifesaver!
    Now, if I were feeding someone with life threatening allergies, I would avoid the "processed on" products.
    I will get products that are egg-dairy traces free.
    I do understand when people choose to patronize other companies that don't use eggs/dairy, and I do look for them, but the label is not a complete deal breaker for me.
    That help you define your limits?
     
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  5. sweetdreadlover

    sweetdreadlover TattooedRainbowGurl

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    yes actually that helps quite a but:)...thank you
     
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  7. napolean inrags95

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    i'm vegan, but i still eat things that say proccessed in a facility that also proccesses whatever. i live with my parents, am the only vegan in the house, so sometimes its just more convient. and i just don't mind the possibility of very very small ammounts of animal products in my food. i think its very respectable when people extend their diet to that extent.
     
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  9. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    the factory issue is like: in my kitchen, occasional meat is cooked.
    It's a separate pot, but I'm sure I've grabbed the wrong cutting board and maybe not boiled the knife afterward.
    I know my hubby has sliced cheese and handled deli meat and cut the mixed sandwich with a knife and washed it. I'm positive I've used the knife.
    Form a kashrut (kosher) perspective, that is contamination.
    From a vegetarian perspective it's just "oops."


    where do you just get to the point where what you do is enough for now?
     
    drumminmama, Dec 11, 2006
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  11. Sage-Phoenix

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    "Sometimes a product will be labeled as vegan but also be labeled as "99% dairy free." What is usually going on here is that this product is being made on machines that are also used to make products with dairy. Thus there might be residual dairy on the machinery. Because some people have severe allergies to milk, the company cannot claim that the product is dairy-free. The alternative is for them to steam-clean their machinery before running the carob chips. This would not do anything to advance the cause of veganism -- no fewer animals would be exploited. To the contrary, it would increase the costs of the chips, making the vegan product appear less appealing to the general consumer."


    http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/qa.html#99vegan
     
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  13. sweetdreadlover

    sweetdreadlover TattooedRainbowGurl

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    i heard that some vegans dont even cook their food in the same pots and pans as meat..now if your a sanitary person and clean all of your dishes to the mostsanitary possible..why wouldnt u use it?..this makes absolutely zero sense to me..
     
    sweetdreadlover, Dec 11, 2006
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  15. bbbeccaaa

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    Thanks for that post Sage-Phoenix, it makes a lot of sense.

    I have no allergies to dairy/eggs, but I still choose to not buy products produced on machines that use them. I understand that I can't be a perfect vegan and like drumminmama said, what I do buy might actually be produced on those machines and just not say it. However, I'm a bit weird about what I eat, and it makes me feel better to think/know I'm not risking it.
     
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    I'm vegan and do not eat anything that was produced on the same line as animal products. I do however cook food in the same pots and pans as meat and such has been cooked,so long as its thoroughly cleaned before hand.
     
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  19. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    because milk and meat get into some utensils' cracks: wood, ceramic for instance.
    If my sweetie uses a knife as I described above, I boil it for 15 minutes to get any stray bits out. But that's K not vege.
    For some people it IS a purity and contamination issue. personally I find those sorts unsufferable IRL
    I guess using a restaurant-like bleach rinse would do... but who wants bleach near their food?

    I have two crock pots, one is my sweetie's for chunks of flesh, and one is for "not flesh."
    We have a collection of cutting boards and I SHOULD get around to a full on cleaning and labeling.
    I have one knife I KNOW is vege only.
    plates and cutlery are shared, although I prefer salad forks for all my meals and we have our own bowls (his reads "I guess it's time to tell you, I put LSD in the dip" at the bottom and mine is smaller and has dragonflies on it, both from local potters.

    We never intended to segregate the bowls, we just got ones that matched personality.

    fyi: the LSD bowl by Tom Edwards came from this:(I paid far less than this store is asking)
    http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?storename=thomassedwards&DeptID=151642&ItemID=6314416&detail=1

    If I owned this bowl, I'd segregate it:
    http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?storename=thomassedwards&DeptID=151642&ItemID=8880198&detail=1

    look for the Vegetarian Bowl and the Guacamole bowl, too.
    (I think he's a hoot. He was a local newspaper cartoonist)
     
    drumminmama, Dec 12, 2006
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