My thoughts on the thoughts of an all-loving god

I don't think an all-loving god would reject people from heaven just because they don't believe in his religion. Here's why:

He/she/it would understand that the religious choices on this earth of ours are many, and there is little to nothing to say that one is "better," or more true, than another. The acceptance of the bible is a choice. An effort. Same with the Torah, Kuran, etc. There isn't a logical deduction you can make to say that any book is true, no evidence for their truth (and yes, campbell, there are "prophesies" in other religions, too), and believers on every side will tell you theirs is right. An all-loving and all-knowing god would realize that given the "bounds" of our senses (i.e. we can't sense god or angels or anything), nothing he/she/it can do, short of massive physical revelation to the population can prove to an objective, logical person that he/she/it exists.

 

That's an easy one! In the time of Moses they had many gods( religions as well). One of these gods was the golden calf. God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and the first one is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." God is also all just as well as all loving.

Later Jesus said " I am the way, truth, and the light, no man cometh unto the Father but by me. Now you may believe in a different religious system or you may have never heard about Jesus but the bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Unless you receive Jesus and ask forgiveness of sins you can't get into heaven, why would God allow some sinners in heaven and not others?

God sent His son Jesus to die for us and rose from the dead, nobody else Buddha, Mohammad, Krishna did that.

I don't see why that's such a hard concept.




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That's my view point on it but where did you get you're idea of God? What's you're perception of God? What do you mean by "love"? God is all loving, how do we know this? There's many references for God as you said the Quran, the Bible, the Torah etc. The question is How do we know which is God?

 

I think that's one of the major flaws of the bible (or christian fundamentalism). I don't think god can be kind and loving and all-knowing and the good great being, and then send people to an eternity of torture just because they don't believe in something unfounded. That would be a very unsympathetic (and unjust) thing for a loving god to do.

I myself don't believe in a god. I don't see any indication of a divine being controlling the world, so I don't see any need to participate in religion. If god decided to make him/herself known, as in me seeing god physically in a way that can't be interpreted as hallucination, like a bunch of other people seeing as wel, I would be forced to reconsider. But as it is now, I see nothing that gives any indication of the presence of the divine. I guess you would call me and atheist agnostic.

 

Why is that hard!?

Because you give no reason to belive what you are saying over what any other religion is saying.

If you were born in the middle east you would be saying the same thing about Islam.

 

Yes and then god the "perfect" entity would be controdicting himself thus nolonger be a god.

Just like in the movie Dogma

 

Any God that requires worship is a false God. Worship and prayer satisfy mans selfish desires and nothing more. Does anyone honestly think the creator of the universe has such an ego? If there was a God he would want man to be simply good and care for this planet. What better way to server God than to maintain the health of this planet? But is this the top priority instilled in popular religions? No, I could be the most selfish consumer of natural resources and belong to a corporation producing pollution of unspeakable natural devastation and drive my sick delusional selfish ass to church every sunday in my gas guzzling SUV, with the fossil fuel that I ironically refuse to believe took millions of years to develop, and worship my God and be 100% sure that my delusional soul will make it to heaven.

Religion is such an easy way to excuse ignorance. "forgive me father for I have sinned... thank for your forgiveness", and that's how they sleep at night! It is a selfish pathway to destruction, not heaven!!!!!!

 

This shows how these old religions are not exactly useful in our time. They belong to a a past before things like environmental meltdown were an issue.
It's sad that people are still controlled by cults dreamed up by people whose actual knowledge of the universe was considerably less than that of the average bright 12 year old kid today.

 

Jesus said. If you seek me with all your heart you shall surley find me. Most people blindly believe in religion, but Jesus is more than a man made religion. And the prophecies of the Bible reveal the truth of His Word.
You say you don't see any indication of a divine being controlling the world. I would say you have never spent time looking at fulfilled Bible prophecy. And it's important that don't look at them if you want to hold on to your atheist belief.

 

Well the Bible speaks about an Astroid that will strike one of earths seas and it will destroy one third of the ships in that sea. And this was spoken of 1500 years before the world knew Astroids even existed. I would say the one who authored the Bible knew a little more. The Bible also tells us that at the time of the end the earth will heat up, and men will curse God because of that heat. I think the real meltdown is occuring in the minds of men who donot take the Bible seriously.

 

So muslims and jews are worshipping your god. The only thing they dispute about the bible is any mention of jesus being the son of god - so theyre not worshipping a different god. Yet christians say their bible is right - yet according to your logic they will still get into heaven

 

The only way to heaven is to accept God's blood sacrifice. It was God's gift to the world. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not persih but will have everlasting life. It was Jesus who said, "that no man comes unto the Father but by me." You will never get to heaven by the back door. And any ticket you use, better have Jesus Christ stamped on it.

 

So which is right - the bible that was written by your god or the qurran which was written by your god?

 

The Qurran was written by someone, but not by my God. For you see, my God is not the Author of confusion. The Qurran tells us that we have to work are way to heaven, and you are never really sure if you have done enought work to get there. So a mans salvation is always left in question. Moslems work to earn points with the hope they have added enought of them to earn Salvation.

The Bible tells us that are best works before the Throne of God are but filthy rags. The God of my Bible tells me you can never earn Salvation. The God of my Bible tells me, that Salvation comes by the death of His Son on the cross. And all who give their life to Him, will receieve Salvation. My God has made Salvation a free gift to all men, and works are but an indicator of your love for the True God of all Creation. Christians work not to earn Salvation, but to show God we love Him.

 

The Quran has prophesies too. http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html Note how far-fetched some of them are. The Qu'ran also said stuff like the world being round and the sun revolving around the earth, and those are used to "spread the word of god," just like you. As has been said by those who have indeed looked into your prophesies, including myself, they're questionable at best. All self-fulfilling. Christians have been pushing for the creation of isreal because they want jesus to come back, and wanted the prophesies to be fulfilled. As I said, I'm open to evidence, but it has to be scientific and objective.

I'm sure they had seen meteors, and there could have easily been one that was seen to impact the ground or sea. It happens. I would like to see the passages you're referencing.

That's a very narrow interpretation of a very ambiguous passage. Do women get a free pass since he said man? What if someone doesn't want to hang out with the father, but just jesus? Can they do that? Who's to say jesus doesn't just shake your hand at the gate? Maybe he's heaven's bouncer. What if god has since changed his mind about who should get into heaven? That was a long time ago, after all. What if you have to do the hokey-pokey every sunday to avoid eternal damnation? Who are you to say that's not the case?

Bull. Why would you work to show god you love him if not for the carrot of heaven? It seems to me like you do have to earn salvation. You have to devote your life to christianity before you can get to heaven. If salvation came by the death of jesus, it wouldn't matter if you didn't believe or if you liked to strangle people for gum. Everyone would get salvation. But you have to EARN it, right? Why can you not just think your love for god? Must there be a cross on everything you own for god to know of your appreciation? And, as relaxxx said, a need for worship and devotion comes from an ego. If god had no ego, he would have no preference for people to love him or some other guy or not.

 

God is a loving God, but He also is a God of justice.

Would you be happy if a rapist was set free of charge and call the judge loving?

Now, we all fall into evil. No one can be perfect. Yet perfection is God's standard and the only way to reach this standard is to truly accept Jesus Christ in your life. No other Gods are before Him and He is the way, the truth and life.... just as He stated.

 

Justice and perfection are two different things. Justice is not achieved by punishing atheists the same as rapists. I would say perfection isn't either, but I guess you could interpret it that way if you want. And again, this is a very odd phrase taken in a very specific way. God is the way - what does that mean? The way to what? How can god be a way? Do you have to assume to fill in the blanks? God is the truth? I could understand if it said god is truthful, but saying god is the truth sounds like more of a spiritual life-force type of god. Finally, god is the life. Again, sounds like a god that is built of nature, not the other way. I guess you could assume it means he can lead to heaven, but he said he IS life, and when it comes to the word of god, we really shouldn't be assuming, right?

 

A particularly dismal god the christian god isnt it - kinda reeks of death and rotting meat - Not much joy is he this christian god?
No wonder the worlds in a mess if people live for a maniac like god - his son sounds all right though but god sounds like some death obssessed killer

Perhaps if you tried to cheer up what god is about I could stay around more but I see a maggot infested carcass that is being worshipped as it hangs from a nightmare cross surrounded by callous christians who believe in pain and drudgery and self denial. At least there is hope I guess - we can always stop listening and join the party who believe in fun and self expression and love -
maybe if god could just be painted in your imagination like a beautiful smiling beam of light that loves us but fucking nora! a blood encrusted corpse and a god that only loves us if we worship the death of his son ? I dont think so mate
This compared to this

 

www.Crosswalk.com

 

Justice and perfection are two different things. Justice is not achieved by punishing atheists the same as rapists.

True, justice and perfection are two different things. God is perfectect and because He is perfect he provides perfect justice. That is why people that we may think as bad are good in the eyes of God. Likewise people that we hold up as good are actually evil in the eyes of God. God sees something that we do not. True feelings and motives.

In this world justice, atheist and rapist are not at the same level. Yet God's judgment is based on one question: Do I know you?

Knowing Christ is all He asks for, yet knowing Christ is a lifestyle change not a phase. Most of the world has and will fail his perfect judgment including many people that call themselves Christians.