here is my personal mindfuck

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by JesusChristPose, Dec 8, 2006.

  1. WanderingSoul

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    What do you mean it blocks people from enlightenment? And what do you mean by saying all of society revolves around the code? Why? And don't some people say what's on their minds?
     
  2. AreYouExperienced

    AreYouExperienced American Victim

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    True emotions cannot be accurately expressed through any language.
     
  3. JesusChristPose

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    maybe i should of said it can. and it does. i believe mostly every insane person youve seen walking down they street yelling and talking to themselves are victims of the code.

    hmm, about society revolving around the code. well, im sure you've heard of the system right? well, like i said, the idea of the code is a code for how we think. government and the "sytem" is just a code for what i said. so technically, society doesnt revolve around the code, but the system.

    and yea, i guess people speak their minds. i just do it a bit more different. im not sure what word im looking for, maybe scientific, or direct or something. idk. well just say im "different".
     
  4. JesusChristPose

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    i get mixed up just with the definition of feelings and emotions. every thought we have is a feeling. or maybe, every thing we say is formed from a thought which we produce to speak about the feeling we get.

    i think i got feelings down pretty well, can you tell me what an emotion is.
     
  5. WanderingSoul

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    Yes, I've heard of the system. But why? Are you saying the system doesn't want us to speak of our emotions? I have always thought this, but are you saying it's like some sort of vendetta against human emotion?

    I experience emotion but I find it hard to express it properly.

    What do you mean insane people are victims of the code? You mean they can't express themselves properly? Or that they do?

    I was a little confused about your first post; when you got high with your friends, were they all using the code, and that was the first time you noticed? Or were they actually able to express themselves better being high?

    And you're saying you've stayed exempt from all of this, that you're better able to express yourself through words?
     
  6. WanderingSoul

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    Feelings and emotions... aren't they the same thing?
     
  7. JesusChristPose

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    well, im not the best guy to talk about the system, im just a kid. when people refer to the real world i think a majority of that is the system, and like i said, im just a kid. im not sure what the system actually does.

    i dont know about the fairness of speaking of insane people cause i may as well be insane but just to make it easier ill refer to the insane as "they". well, first off, i think the cause of insanity could be started from the fact that they have a different internal "system" in their head. so they could very well be speaking their feelings perfectly, we just cant understand, not what they are saying, but how they are using words to describe their feelings. and about them being victims of the code. by that i mean that the insane need the code. all they hear is the code. its all that exists. they see code, or the system, or the game as life. thats not how its suppose to be. the game is a metaphor of life, not the other way around. ive proven the game false on so many lvls.

    do you remember the movie dogma where the guy says that to prove god false is prove existince doesnt exist? thats such a great metaphor for how the game is false.
    in a way, by playing the game, and getting better, and being "enlightened" from it is just a manual of how to be sane. damn, i guess it actually does all come down to opinion.

    my friends all use the code everyday. i just heard it the first time that night. but the second thing you said is also true. when we get high i listen to them speak the code on a much more advanced lvl. well, the answer to what i said in my first post is both.

    and last but not least, feelings and emotions. i think what i consider emotions, you call feelings. and what i consider feelings, you consider thoughts. so what do you consider my thoughts? LOL. the system. the system is in my conscious mind when its not suppose to be. its like a metaphor for a metaphor. but more complicated than that. its like a metaphor of a metaphor. in which the metaphor is the code, which is a metaphor for life.
     
  8. Icklejason

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    I think the game your talking about boils down to communication and an assortment of socially accepted morals/rules. If u can understand and use these rules your probably considered normal. Mentally ill people either cant understand or use these rules, which is why they are victims to the game. Inside they feel emotions, they have their own thoughts, they are equal, if u like...have a soul.

    You are not alone when you say that you are an observer. We all are, some are more aware than others. We all see it from our own angle and can never see it from anothers.

    The code has been developed over thousands of years and is the best result our culture has figured. Obviously the government have some control over the code, but you can have your own opinion. The system will aways want more power. Unfortunatly its natural to think we know whats best. Its up to people like you to fight back and find a balance. I think you would gain alot from travelling and seeing other cultures(in other words, variations of the code).

    Also i would suggest experimenting with your creative side. Fine art, music, dancing, whatever you like. Art is outside the code, there are no rules.

    Hope ive answered a few of your questions. Have a nice christmas and a fucked up new year :D
     
  9. WanderingSoul

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    Lately, I've felt very disconnected from people. It seems like it's getting harder for me to communicate. I'm a shy person a lot of the time, and I seemed to be getting over it this year, but in the last few months I've sort of withdrawn.

    I think this all has to do with the code. I think I never found out how to use it properly, and for some reason, either because I'm not getting enough practice or something else, it feels like lately I have nothing to say... and I feel like a social retard.

    I agree with everything you said, icklejason.
     
  10. prismatism

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    the code is based on denial, that is so imbedded into a person that when you try to break it they will become EXTREMELY uncomfortable without knowing why. and then they will call you crazy. but sometimes you can break it, and then they will love you as if you're some kind of supernatural being. i've had both happen to me, and both are dangerous and annoying. isn't that what jesus did? and people either wanted to kill him, or worshipped him, and most of us still don't understand what he was trying to tell us. he freed our minds, but we have to do our own part to maintain that and explore it and let it become us.

    words and body language are used in a very bland way, but what they do is in a metaphorical sense "push a button" in our brains that makes us feel a certain way. that's what communication is. the code is like an enormous keyboard. you push a key, and a corresponding letter appears on the screen, which is the other person's mind.

    when you break the code, you communicate outside of the system. your words and actions are not a recipe to create some specific reaction, but they convey exactly what you intend because you send them into the universe with faith that they will. they are real. art is truth conveyed unconventionally. it's not "safe" but it works as it should.
     
  11. JesusChristPose

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    my two buddies were trying to free me one night and eventually they pressed that button you talked about. but then i started to fall back, and they kept talking and i kept going back and back and back and eventually i started crying. i cried so much. i thought they hated me. and they were my best friends. but it was like i didnt even know them.

    but the thing is, i did what i do. i have no choice. and i like it that way. but theres nobody that tells me what to do either. not even myself. how can i say this but i was what "I believe" perfect. my mind was at peace in nature my whole life and now im caged.

    maybe jesus was right in what he did and maybe he was wrong, but who is he to give the key of freedom to the caged beast. who is he to inslave the innocent to eternal flame.

    who is it who decides on what happens?
    who is he to undo what has yet to become?
    who is he who decides on what happens?

    i see no choice.
     
  12. prismatism

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    i made my friend cry because he was trying really hard but his brain kept blacking him out so he couldn't remember what i was saying or keep any short term memory as i was explaining. when we'd talk about other things, he'd be fine. he ended up really pissed and confused and sad. sometime's i'd be saying truth and he'd be hearing code and talking code back to me, he couldn't even percieve the fact that i wasn't saying what he heard. it's bizarre. but i know that it's real, it's happened too many times not to be.

    everyone wakes up eventually. maybe not in this lifetime. or maybe in the last and they were born knowing so only have to realize that they already know. i think we all have a time, and things we need to experience and know before that time can come, and until it does there's no way to force it. and after that, there is another, and another. i don't think it ever ends, but it gets easier probably.
     
  13. JesusChristPose

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    umm, i dont know how to say this, but i dont know who i am. i can percieve what you said sooo many different ways and i always end up forgetting how i last percieved what you said as a whole. i mean, theres got to be "the one" way of how i should percieve things. and i shall call that one way me.

    maybe thats not exactly what i meant. ummm, damn this is strange. i cant help but to think that i dont say exactly what i mean consciously. im always saying what sounds right, then i read what i say and its a whole new perspective. it sucks, i dont know what im doing.
     
  14. prismatism

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    you're whoever you decide to be. which doesn't make you less than you were before, it actually makes you more, because what you choose to be is more real than what you were by default. because when you consciously create yourself, you become art, your actions and words become art, even if they have been done before, even in the same combinations, with the same tone and everything.

    that's pretty much the conclusion i came to when i first started "breaking" people; the way you choose to relate to and percieve things defines who you are. everyone does it, your awareness of it (of that process) is what "makes it" what it is. "the one" way, or "the truth", is intangible. it's not words, and it doesn't have immediate, obvious implications on the physical world (unless you're sensitive to it), which includes thought. you can only define your own perception of that truth through the level of clarity you hear it, but it always filters through your self.

    so, i'm saying banana, and you know that's not what i mean, and i know it's not what i mean, but we assign it that meaning to use it as a tool, and it's a leap of faith to believe that we both really know exactly what the other is really trying to say. a person always will, they just won't bring it to the active part of consciousness and give it as much importance as the code until they're free.

    i don't know if what i said was um... what you wanted to read? haha i don't know, i guess so.
     
  15. l-foote

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    i have trouble taking to people, i always know what i think, but it never comes out of my mouth. usually i just sit in silence, studying others and the way they converse with each other, and wonder why they react the way they do. humans are a mystery to me/
     
  16. WanderingSoul

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    Lfoote... I thought I was the only one...

    I just want to know - are we supposed to use the code or just try to speak our minds? I want to speak my mind, but sometimes I can't. Yeah, I've realized lately that all of my social problems stem from my inexperience and misunderstandings of the code.
     
  17. jagerhans

    jagerhans Far out, man. Lifetime Supporter

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    please, JCp , can you show us an example of this code, and the purpose it serves ? talk to us in code , and let us retards know what you already know. and keep present how painful is to dismiss my beautiful language and start using that barbaric, meow-like language you're all writing in :))
     
  18. prismatism

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    you can't talk about the code in code :D. so, i'll write what a person would say in code, and what they'd say out of code underneith it.

    dude1: hey. what's up?
    we haven't talked in a month and i've missed you a lot so i'm gonna talk to you now.

    dude2: nothing. what'd you do today?
    i'm gonna pretend i can be casual as if i didn't miss the hell out of you. what have you been doing that's so much more important than hanging out with me?

    dude1: i ate pancakes and watched a movie.
    i was thinking about you so i made your favorite food and that made me miss you more so i watched that movie you really like and then decided i wanted to talk to you.

    dude2: that's pretty damn awesome, man.
    you ate pancakes. those are my favorite food. you know that. so that means i'm allowed to act less like i don't care about you because there's the evidence that you care about me, and want me to know without actually telling me.

    dude1: yeah, you like pancakes, huh?

    dude2: pancakes are cool. yeah.



    that's kind of a simplified way of describing it, because in reality the code has a different structure than talking outside of it... if you're not using the code, you might say less, or more, and it wouldn't align like that.. and real communication flows along in an unpredictable, unrouteable way. you can't really track it because it's like the words don't really matter or exist. it's based on so much that you pick up, psychically i guess, that it can't be translated into black and white, into plain text. it's like spontaneous collaborative poetry.
     
  19. WanderingSoul

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    Now I understand... :)
     
  20. WanderingSoul

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    Again, I want to say that that's the best example of the code on here, so far. Thanks.
     

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