Anyone being harassed, followed, or annoyed 24/7. Might just be Gang Stalking.

Discussion in 'Paranoid?' started by Gangstalking, Sep 30, 2006.

  1. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

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    thank goodness you didn't say all. I've gone off on some people for making assumptions like that before. but I can agree with most.

    where are you from anyways?
     
  2. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    Dude, your whacked!
     
  3. Gangstalking

    Gangstalking Banned

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    Didn't anyone else notice that Dr Bomb only joined in December and his only two posts are for this forum. I wonder where Columbo went. Doesn't matter. If I understand Dr Bomb are you saying that the gang stalking movement is composed of

    Cause most of the people getting gang stalked are political activists, dissidents, minorities, single woman, gays, outspoken individuals, people who have blown the whistle on corporations.

    I have been doing some research and it seems that gang stalking might be a form of Cointelpro for the 2000. I have been asking a lot of questions about these gangs. What I have discovered about my city that I live in is surprising.

    About 8 years ago, we started a program call City Watch, sort of like your weed and seed program, but ours is comprised of civil servants, unions, the police, fire department, transit operator, postal workers, etc. It started with 45,000 people and I can only guess that after 9-11 when they extended the service it must be close to double that or more.

    I think what has happened is we have turned ourselves into a police state. If this program is close to 80-100,000 people and our city is 5 million. That is about 1 in 50 spys keeping an eye on things. So that's why you can be followed 24/7 cause people in each different ward or community take turns partroling. The ones that is that know about this program.

    I had no idea this program was running. I have tried to get the cops to talk about it and they clam up. They won't say who is running it. I know it said it was governement funded, but I am suspecting it's run by our CSIS that's the Canadian version of Homeland Sercurity or the FBI or something like that.

    Also I have been asking questions about David Lawson the guy who wrote the book gang stalking in America. His book is only available on a stalight pirate website. Does anyone remember that 10=15 years ago, the government set up a bunch of these to stop satalight piracy?

    During Cointelpro the last time, they would put out false media stories, and they would get people going around spreading propaganda, and making real activist look like they were something else.

    I was also reading some of the websites, and before people started talking about gang stalking, they were talking about covert war. Look at this info from a website.

    Also I have been doing some research and what earthmother says sounds right. If it's the governement doing this, then they could be using something called disrupt and diffuse. A lot of those techniques could be what we are seeing in gang stalking and they could be training the general population to go along with stuff like this. Like that person could be dangerous, disrupt their sleep, follow them, slow them down.

    Dudes I think this is what we are looking at, now I am still trying to find out more about this program or the one similar that the CSIS has going, but check out these articles and these video's.

    The governement is trying to get people to snitch on each other. I told you there were snitches working for whatever was going on with gang stalking. So this starts to make sense.
    http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Social/article.php?sid=46&mode=thread&order=0
    http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Social/article.php?sid=47&mode=thread&order=0

    These utube videos talk about MKultra and Cointelpro and taking it on the road to average citizens.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si1bHa45u18

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqMcafwFJ8

    Think about it this way, if these programs are being used again, plus our own citizen patrol forces, then it's the governements job to keep these a secret. That would include making people look crazy if they say people are following them around, putting them under survellence, and breaking in but not stealing stuff.

    Also they would have people online set up to do this. They would be setting up websites, and things like that to try to draw in victims of these programs to further confuse them.

    I am still doing research, but a lot of this makes sense now. Especially when I hear reports like earthmother, I think I am on the right track. So that is what I have been doing.
     
  4. Gangstalking

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    Here are some of the public details about city watch.


    Now I don't know if City Watch is exactly what is happening, but I would be the CSIS program that they had running trying to get people to snitch and work for free. (At least pay them.) I think they used the City Watch or got the people in that program to help them out either under the same title or a different name.

    Also I know stores like futureshop, and best buy are taking part. Those stores are American. Also some of our Unions over here have American times, so you can bet if we have something like this here, you have it in your cities.

    So if anyone starts talking about being followed, the cops who are part of this are not really going to help that much, cause they would see the person complaining as a possible problem, suspect, target, or danger. People that are part of these programs would try to make the person talking about it look crazy to protect the integrity of the program, and to keep their spying a secret.

    Now I am all for helping out your country and keeping an eye on things, I think that's cool and patriotic and all that, but if people are getting put on lists for their political views and things like that or for writing strongly worded letters, then that's really bad.

    So I am still looking into this, but if anyone knows info about Cointelpro then they sort of can see where I am going with this. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro-methods.html

    So if you are being harassed like this I would say get a lawyer. Interestingly when I contacted a bunch of lawyers and left my number with voicemail, I called myself from a different phone, and the voicemail was just cutting off the whole time. These people have for months been manipulating my phone, redirecting my calls. Sending me phoney emails, and making sure my emails are interfared with.

    I finally filed a complaint with the post office, and got an email response back, after a month of emailing back and forth I get this letter that has nothing to do with what I complained about. So I got the original reference number, cause the guy in the email gave me a completly different one. I emailed the manager of the post office, and they have confirmed that the original reference number was the right one.

    So who was the person that I was emailing? Also during this period I got some voice mail going, we got your complaint, the letter carrier has been cautioned, and he's on vaction this week but if you have troubles, just give me a call. (I never called, cause the message sounded phoney anyways.) So this means that someone put in a different complaint after me, with a different reference number. The lies about the postal worker being repermanded are just that.

    So I don't know who I am talking to from one minute to the next, and my emails clearly can be manipulated, because I thought that I was emailing someone from the post office, but he was either not from the post office, or someone going along with this stuff.

    So you really have to be careful, cause this is the stuff that Cointelpro pulled. I just don't know why I would be put on any list. I have strong political views, but I didn't think they were radical. Never broken any laws, but I did read an article about a 53 year old woman, who was just putting up some anti bush war posters, and she was arrested by 4 cops, thrown to the ground, ruffed up, and then they tried to put these phoney charges on her, and they made her get a mental exame or face 30 days in the psych ward. It's really crazy times we are in.

    I think this is true in most countries. I also read recently about some peaceful protest where the police used rubber bullets, pepper spray and they beat down people. But they pepper sprayed children, some younger than 5. One guy said they pepper sprayed his daughter who is 5 and I read that they pepper sprayed a baby that was on the parents back. That's like crazy. I don't get what's happening.

    However it seems that our world has been changed, and not for the better. These wars have changed our societies, more than we have changed anyone elses. (I suppose I will get in trouble for saying that, but too bad, it's true.)


    Sorry to be over posting, but I just found this other article that came out like almost 4-5 years ago warning that McCarthyism was starting up again. It's worth a read.
    http://progressive.org/newmccarthyism
     
  5. Gangstalking

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    (I just found this in my inbox.)

    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:7fWros3uWV4J:thoma
    s.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z%3Fc109:H.RES.1026:+Resolutio

    n+1026+IH&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr10

    9-1026


    8 December 2006
    Contacts: Deborah Dupre’: International Coalition

    Campaign Coordinator, icesh@duprevent.com or

    hr1026u@yahoo.com, U.S.A. Coordinator: Lynn Troxel:

    medicinebuddha@netzero.net

    International Call for FBI COINTELPRO Victim Testimonies:
    Secret In-Home Torture Murder

    Mounting documentation with hundred’s of tortured victim’s testimonies will soon be presented to U.S. Congress exposing the worst government crimes against humanity since the Nazi Holocaust. Evidence is expected to be more shocking than the Church Committee exposure of COINTELPRO (COunterINTELligence PROgram) abuses to silence dissent during the Vietnam War era.



    Covert, organized, in-home and community tortured victims globally are urgently called upon to submit testimonies by end of December 2006 on basis of, and with regard to pursuing principles and legal precedent in U.S. Congress Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities: House Resolution 1026 IH calling to reopen COINTELPRO investigation hearings.

    Such exposure sometimes results in more extreme measures against victims and their families including disappearance and murder, a risk that victims are taking to gain a voice; end their torture; and provide greater future protection for their families. Human rights group volunteers are urgently needed to protect and assist these casualties and loved ones to deliver testimonies to U.S. Congress.

    Peace workers, environmentalists, human rights advocates, whistle-blowers, scientists, and others are being professionally torture-murdered in their homes and communities through terroristic sleep deprivation, poisoning, ritual abuse, ongoing, frequent break-ins and thefts, extreme stalking, 1st degree workplace mobbing, isolation, privacy violation, framing, and military grade weapon assaults.

    Hallmarks of this crime are: law enforcement refusal to protect victims, investigate, or prosecute; covering-up the crime with torture tactics created to appear so unbelievable that “mental illness” is used to discredit targets that complain, or so well-disguised that “mysterious illnesses” neutralize targets; and disruption of progressive social movements and neutralization of targets.

    After the 9-11, 2001 mass murder, COINTELPRO operations escalated; covert agents infiltrating virtually every level of society worldwide to silence dissent by assaulting targets with deployed new military grade weapons and testing these weapons on them. Described as Directed Energy Weapons (DEWs) in Air Force Research Laboratory's Munitions Directorate, 2001; these new weapons include laser, high-power microwave, and particle-beam.

    Former Representative Cynthia McKinney introduced HRES 1026 IH to Congress stating, “A look back at the Nixon era Tom Charles Houston plan, referred to as ‘fascist’ by Congressional investigators, shows us it is being implemented in full since 9/11. Congress has a responsibility to open oversight hearings into the new abuses as well as their historical context, and to acknowledge and give relief to its victims then and now.”

    Over 55 internationally renowned scientists, lawyers, professors, former military intelligence officers, and others representing eight countries united 21 October 2006, “1st World Day to End the Silent Holocaust,” to launch a coalition to halt of this well-hidden form of terrorism.

    For further information on writing testimonies, volunteering, or for arranging casualty photographs and interviews, email ICESH at
    icesh@duprevent.com and copy to hr1026u@yahoo.com plus medicinebuddha@netzero.net



    ATTACHMENT: COINTELPRO PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL TACTICS AND EFFECTS

    Physical Tactics: financial abuse (money or property theft, financial contract breaches, legal fees for frivolous law suits and/or legal malpractice); cyber-stalking (including but not limited to internet spying, email spying and/or intercepting, password theft); privacy invasion (including but not limited to telephone tapping, misdirecting and disconnecting, mail tampering and intercepting); identity theft; forced homelessness; forced refugee status; framings; lethal bullying (organized bullying resulting in death of target); food-tampering, poisoning, drink-spiking; organized bullying (multi-offender lies, threats, intimidation, ridicule, sarcasm and sometimes overt assaults) Directed Energy Weapons assaults; and use of a variety of tactics.

    Physical Symptoms: Fibromyalgia (severe pain in muscles and a host of other symptoms); Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS); Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS) (hypersensitivity to chemical exposure); other mysterious “Environmental” Diseases” and unidentified illnesses or symptoms, induced heart attacks and strokes, induced cancer, sudden onset of blindness, skin burns and sleep deprivation; severe headache; extreme fatigue; skin and lung problems; sleeping disorders; general weakness; allergies and intolerances to chemicals, odours and foodstuffs; and tinnitus, (nuisance hearing of sounds).

    Psychological Tactics: persecution (organized, multi-offender induced discrimination and harassment including frequent ridicule and sarcasm); discrediting (organized vicious rumours such as false accusations of mental illness, drug use, sexual deviancy, etc.); vigilante harassment (organized lies, threats, or bribery to coerce community to harass, alienate, and isolate target); organized stalking: (multi-offender “cause” or “terrorist” stalking including ongoing extremist tactics such as kept under surveillance, house break-ins, theft, moving of property, vandalism, discrediting, disruption of work; animal killings); ritual abuse (brutal abuse of children, adolescents, and adults, consisting of repeated physical, sexual, and psychological abuse over extended period, terrorisation, brainwashing/mind control often with electronic devices and drugs to create multiple personality or psychoses so victim is unconscious of behaviour, always with threats and fear as main controlling factor); gaslighting (extremist tactics such as moving of property and lies); 1st degree workplace mobbing (organized multi-offender workplace bullying, harassment, and coerced firing); discrediting (vicious rumours, disruption of work, gaslighting at work-station, employer coerced to fire target, set-ups at work); sleep deprivation (single or multi-offender induced fear and/or electromagnetic terrorizing at night to awaken, keep awake, or induce insomnia); intimidation and threats (ongoing comments to produce fear and trauma possibly including death threats); and use of a variety of tactics.

    Psychological Effects: mental injury (a natural response to unnatural events); Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (trauma resultant of abuse, torture and war); mind control with Directed Energy Weapon Effects (including sudden change in character such as becoming severely hostile, psychopathic, or suicidal, hearing voices or commands from synthetically contrived voice transmission techniques and sleep deprivation); misdiagnosed stigmatising mental illness; revictimization; Depression; and Suicide.

    An untold number of targets are unaware that they are victims of COINTELPRO style abuse and/or non-consensual human research. They do not attribute their ongoing bad luck; mishaps; animal killings; or mysterious, untreatable, disabling “environmental” diseases to covert operatives using old COINTELPRO tactics plus new weapons of war to terrorize, neutralize, and prevent resisting the treatment.

    Together, these professional, well-orchestrated intrusions induce excruciating pain, exhaustion, terror, alienation, and sometimes result in violent behaviour against self or others – eventually, one way or another, “neutralizing” and killing the target.
     
  6. gerryduffett

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    GANG STALKING / WORKPLACE MOBBING / CANADA

    Here is a copy of a letter I sent to the Toronto Sun newspaper about an article that was published.This incident that happened to me is an odd health and safety issue.
    Here is a situation where a union might have made a difference. I will be sending more letters to various groups in the up coming year.

    Hi Mr Margolis.

    I found your article about Edwin P. Wilson all too frightening and hits me personally way too close to home. I was working at Harper Detroit Diesel in Toronto and one of my co workers or somebody in my customer base or the competition started poisoning my food over a period of months.
    I almost died.
    I had worked in the diesel generator industry for twenty two years as a field service technician at a variety of dealers and distributors based mostly out of the Toronto area. In this position I worked in and around all types of generator set applications such as apartment buildings, schools, retail stores, hospitals, marine units, data centres, airports, telephone switching centres, or just about anywhere you would find a generator set.This position also took me into a lot of high security buildings or buildings that you don't need to know exist. Some of the customers I have dealt with include Metropolitan Toronto Police, the Ontario Provincial Police, the R.C.M.P., Bell Canada, Transport Canada, Navigation Canada, Public Works Canada, Department of National Defence, the Ontario Realty Corporation, Nexacor Realty, AT&T, Cantel, C.I.D.A., External Affairs, and many, many more. I did quite a bit of work on high security micro wave and fibre optics communication links all around North America. This is where this poisoning comes from. One person I worked 15 yrs with on these systems, who I had not seen in 4 yrs, called me at home one night in the middle of this series of poisonings, who I didn't even know had my home phone number and asked "aren't you dead yet". I wound up on the West Coast of Canada standing in a parking lot with what were suppose to be Chinese Nationals from F.E.T.A.C. being photographed by the R.C.M.P. as part of a smear campaign.The worst part of all of this is Gerry Duffett almost died, thats me. The next worst part of all of this, is this is my tax dollars paying these freaks. I wonder how many times a day this goes on. I still don't know who poisoned me. I was off work for almost one year. I can now 5 yrs later barely hold a full time job. The harassment in my work place is unbelievable as far as off colour and snide comments about my mental health. There is much more to the story.

    Thank you.

    Gerry Duffett.

    14-4218 Lawrence Ave E Box 218
    Scarborough Ontario
    Canada M1E4X9

    gerryduffett@fastmail.ca

    gerryduffett47@yahoo.com

    http://www.goliathboards.com/users5/gerryduffett/index.cgi


    P.S.

    Just in the last couple of years a new fibre optics system was installed in Ontario to link all the power generation stations to one central control centre code named Ledcor.
    Don't tell anybody you know that, somebody might try to kill you.
     
  7. Gangstalking

    Gangstalking Banned

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    Since we are hall expreiencing a Cointelpro like situation, we can expect to have online false agents or perps who go around subtly threatening legit activists. We can expect to have lies and disinformation being spread to try to mislead people from the truth and we can expect so many other similar Cointelpro activities.

    I think it's important for people to not succum to death threats, and slander that might be aimed at them. We do know that last time around Cointlepro did not hesitate to set up legitmimate activist and dissidents. These people joined their groups and gatherings and they did everything in their power to destroy legitimate activisim.

    Many perps who joined these groups were also able to obtain high positions in these organizations which again put them in wonderful positions to destroy the activities of activisits and their movements.

    The idea is to not be threatened and intimidated by these people, just be aware of how they opperate and then keep doing what you are doing. These people however are good at what they do, they have had over 50 years of trying to destroy dissendents, activits and others.

    The same things that happened in the past are once again happening now, only they are happening with a vengence. It's important that we do what we can to get the truth out and to not be intimidated by those who are not working for this cause, but against it.
     
  8. sentient

    sentient Senior Member

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    These tactics you use are boring everyone stupid. youve been sussed from the start and now you come back. I took one look at your first post and decided to check the rest of the thread. Knowing something about computers I'm not surprised you got that post in your email its an rss feed from your site
    All that you are doing is trying a few tricks espoused by canadian fascists and somewhere down the line you will get some poor soul who is mentally unbalanced and put them through you course of perpetual victimhood I have read this thread and done the research columbo pointed to and then some more and he was right - you are indeed fascist christian fundamentalists, more to the point you are also very dangerous as you play with the minds of mentally unbalanced people
    I for one may ask the authorities in this country to look into your organisation I am not without influence even though I oppose that influence
    as lo and behold I would do anything at all to stuff fascism anything
    Incase you hadnt realised I am an anarchist -
    How many ways to get what you want I use the best I use the rest I use the enemy I use anarchy
    why not go to godlikeproductions they would love you there
    because they are nasty but please - people are nice here and dont go picking on anyone ok - leave their minds alone - especially the vulnerable
    because I will make it my job to get your ass kicked if you start picking on people who dont know your game . Now I know canada has sunk into a miasma of fascist sentiment right now but you just remember youre on a nice site with some very very tight community that I hope will watch the virus that you are like hawks - I will make it my job to laugh you out !
    and the rest of them idiots that are playing your game
    seriously - dont fuck with people here ok - now you claim to have all these cointel people after you - well I shall definitely go talk to some people who will have you checked out and then I will report to the people who own this site and see what they say ok _ i will talk to some VERY well connected people in Britain with the authority to find out all about you lunatics and we shall see. EXACTLY who you are
    ok ! no loss to me that I'd grass up some dickhead paranoid fascist just so long as they dont screw anyonelses life up along with their own
     
  9. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    First of all I don't see what this thread has to do with Globalisation.

    Secondly it seems to be spam for a few specific websites.

    So it's going where it belongs now...
     
  10. sentient

    sentient Senior Member

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    Please visit this site if you agree with this person called Gangstalking - there is help available and very simple help which is almost 100% effective
    All you need do is get some prescribed medication and then the persecution complex will disappear
    http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc2415.htm
     
  11. Gangstalking

    Gangstalking Banned

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    If this was not a globalisation forum, you would be saying something else. It's too bad that people like you do need to play with people's minds and make them think that the post is about right wing fascist. The worst thing someone can be on a forum like this. I hope people will take the time to read the thread and realise that this is happening to quite a few people across the internet. Infact now that the Cointelpro investigations are getting opened again, I think people going through this might have a chance to get the recognistion that they need that this is happening again.
     
  12. Gangstalking

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    Hi Skip.

    You clearly saw the links to Cointelpro and the fact that an investigation is being reopened into what the government did and is doing again. This relates to gang stalking. It also prooves what I was taking about was quite legitimate.

    Why you choose to move a topic like this to the paranoid forum is beyond me, unless you are purposly helping to cover something up. I don't know you, so I can't make any accusations. All I know is that when Cointelpro happened, people did use their influence to shut down legitimate topics.

    What this has to do with globalisation is the fact that some people think that part of what might be behind this harassment is the NWO and this is a way to get rid of some of the outspoken in society.

    Again I find it interesting that you choose to move the posting here, instead of in a legitimate place. People are dying and killing themselves because of this harassment. You can go online and read their journals, visit the websites for yourself. I am sure that my website and many others have nothing to do with Christian fundamentalism as we have been accused. Infact many of our websites have been pointing to the fact that woman, minorities, dissidents, activists, whistle-blowers are being targeted by this harassment. Then again, maybe that is why this thread is being moved, and shoved where it does not belong.

    Most likely it was the fact that I pointed out that many of the community watch programs are being used to commit these harassments. For some reason that seems to cause some people reasons for concerns.
     
  13. sentient

    sentient Senior Member

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    yes so do I, hopefully the medical world will realise that they need to look again at whether or not certain internet related psychosis should be reclassified schizophrenia and treated as such. BTW should we call you Jerry or gangstalking. You are Jerry duffett arent you?
    http://www.tvo.org/discussion/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1641
     
  14. chayne

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    thank you
     
  15. chayne

    chayne Member

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    if only...

    as a single women i have been the subject of gang stalking for many years. i was even given a book to read "go ask alice" by those involved in the stalking, who laughed when i returned it - because they knew i knew and the point of the book is that no one will believe you.

    social power and ego can be very attractive to people;

    what i have learnt from the experience is how to walk my talk, to trust myself and have discovered how to reveal the person i really want to be...

    i do not retaliate - i aim to speak life to those who seek to 'hurt' me; i remind myself that freedom is an idea that cannot be taken from me, no matter how many gangrapes i am set up for; i have realised the power of the word "No" and that there is strength in walking away. I take every opportuinity to draw the 'oppressors' into my world - of love and light.

    its the fear that they want...social vampires

    its about control; and its all maya...and ta vam asi...so like arjuna i learn to fight with honour...
     
  16. chayne

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    When I am tracked I say "copy that!"

    When I am tracked by foot soldiers I pay attention to the rythm of my footsteps as they will fall into my rythm and then try to change it

    I say "see you" very often in a firm voice

    I say "no thank you", "right, right right"

    when I am boxed in, I become paper (in the jang keng po game)/othersiwse known as the dove: head dips, I continue *on my path*; i cultivate patience becasue "they know not what they do"; i give a slight mona lisa smile to acknowledge that i know what is going on.

    i learn their languge and signals and train myself to be respond to these with life and love: i do not retaliate, i lead by example (well, i try...)

    i remind myself that this world is maya, that there actions are ego driven, that they are me and i am them; that walking in spirit means that i do not have to WORRY about how to deal with it, that by cultivating the spirit i will be in tune with my envionment

    ...i am gettin better at it becasue they tend to swim away now.

    i refuse to live IN fear, and i am aware that this is how they live thier lives - in fear of others that may do the same to them.

    when i get scared, it is energy to unify myself, i read sun tzu and become like water...i flow to the places where they are not, and i use their momentum to "trip" them

    ...i am becoming the crazy old man who looks frail but is never where you think he is...
     
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    sentient Senior Member

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    In all honesty - I think this is a work of art - its actually very well thought out or appears to be and is quite an exceptional thought to have had. I really enjoy reading this a lot. infact every time I log in I keep having to read it AT LEAST two or 3 times. I must have read it 15 times now - I wish I could see more work like this - it is great
    I just love that work - thanks Chayne - there is a hip forums writers forum - it is very acommodating to people with good ideas -
    I really do love reading the above work! There is a lot of truth and wisdom in it !

    You mentioned a book called "go ask alice"
    I thought you might like to see this review of it.
    http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/askalice.asp
     
  20. Gangstalking

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    The thing is people are starting to wake and understand what is going on. That is why Cointelpro investigations will hopefully be reopened again, because what happened back in the 50,60,70's is happening now.

    The other thing is that since 9/11 many programs like Weed and Seed, City Watch in Toronto, Citizens On Phone Patrol (COPP), Citizen Corp and many others became centralised, with their local elements taking part in helping to monitor and watch many of the cities where we live. The terror fever has swept over our societies more than we know. Many cities are virtual police states, because they have so many people snitching and spying.

    The other problem is because of the confidentiality of these programs, we have participants trying to make anyone who talks about these programs or what is going on look paranoid. The idea is to make them seem crazy so that no one will believe, the other idea is to put out just enough truth mixed in with disinforamtion to cover up for what is going on.

    Thus you have a legit thread like this being pushed to the paranoid mind trip forum. Hopefully people will be intellegent enough to see past the people that are so obviously trying to make others look paranoid.

    I am going to suggest some video links and readings on Cointelpro, which might help you understand some of this better.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si1bHa45u18

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqMcafwFJ8

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9TZDL4WqI

    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMsOGWN_ts

    Read V. Bag of dirty tricks.
    http://www.aztlan.net/covert.html

    Targets of this should be joining together and seeing what can be done legally, but we should also be trying to get this exposed. I think too many innocent people are being targeted for no good reason, and people who move forum postings to Paranoid or people who try to make targets look crazy are just enablers. Many are probably just trying to protect the integrity of these programs, and their own asses, but it does not help people that are geniuenly innocent, in getting the help that they need.

    We have people being put on watch lists for a validictorian speach, and other stupid things. Anyways watch the videos, read the article. Do the research.
     

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