if every obdy talked or spele like dis awe weed all not be able 2 udnerstand a dam thing nobody sais dont do it plwase leurn to speak and rite and 2 condider if wll we dont whant to no lisen to there writen all of smore osut stuff lisin 2 yr selve vspekk
den done talk like it - reed a book corled "Riddley Walker" instead then yull wanta writ lyk wot u jus did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddley_Walker BTW I lyk yur post its writtung in the ergodic tradition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergodic_literature .
c) neither of the above. Ironically your message is, of course, perfectly easy to understand--which rather undermines the point.
On what fucking planet is that easy to understand? The fact that this kind of inarticulate bull shit is becoming acceptable is my point!
People forget that they can report wordcrime to the Word Police. Chief Inspector Bottomsque Fartsworthy often investigates outrageous crimes and brings the guilty to justice. I think it's about time we had another Word Police episode in here. My favourite word is 'pudding'. G blss u 4ll.
You know what? You're right. If you want to convey ideas and feelings in the manner of an illiterate hillbilly, then knock yourself out. I don't give a fuck.
After the culture informs the language - The language informs the culture not the other way around Your other posts at hipforums show that you are very intelligent so I cant understand why you cant accept that language is an evolving expressive form that is not owned by its previous manifestations? Honestly take my advice and read that book called riidley walker - its a gem of a classic and is offered in schools as a classic in Britain. The fact is that language is not fixed. Both its meaning in terms of the semantics associated with a particular word and its syntax changes over time. Young doods in Britain (sadly I am no longer one of their number) will say Hey wow I love this its BAD ! meaning its good - bad means good and for the next 500 years that is how it will be. Think about how the keyboard works I say 50 dud3 \/\/h4+ u ¦>0!/\/ and the rest of the hacker culture say google it they say : lo 2 teh cow - hail 2 teh cow - bow 2 teh cow - google : hacker language cult of the dead cow phrase elite hackers before whom every other hacker kneels - writ large in a language of our times It may surprise you to learn that the people in England invented the English language and yet the USA uses it most like it was during the 1700's. They use terms which the English havent used for centuries such as calling autumn "the fall" which refers to the leaves falling off the trees. Calling trousers "pants" (a term which was dropped during the french revolution because the french also say "pantaloons" which pants is the short version of)political correctness back then eh? etc etc etc Language evolves and its latest evolution is an acceptance of text language to the point where a girl wrote her entire English paper in text language(or shld I say txt lngwj) and they awarded her the highest result in all of Britain that year. Her paper would have looked a bit like ye we wnt dwn the shp n sw a fw frnds we no and 4 yr info they wr gd uns Dont be so particular and that way language is a surprise. I want a language that evolves I just wish it would evolve beyond the point at which some people thought they owned its syntax - the meaning is in the mind that wrote it and in the knowledge of the person reading it After the culture informs the language - The language informs the culture not the other way around and to prove a point someone wrote a great work of art in another thread and it says this - I love this work - I love it because its new and real With all my heart I love this I love that so much because at first I thought it was about paranoia in the real world and then I realised it was about online paranoia - cybernoia------ it is evolved language and it is real and now and crosses boundaries http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196088&page=6&pp=10
bustramp is a bustramp and drinks whiskey for a living and I bet he sings this song cigarettes and whiskey and wild wild women they drive you crazy they drive you insane (tex williams)
By golly I can't believe you said that! I don't think I like you, I don't like your argument, I don't like your attitude and I don't like your choice of words! So I'll give ya 10 minutes to erase the"idiot" bit or I'll report you to the moderator! I will NOT accept your abuse sir! Bustramp
Of course language has to evolve. I have no problem with highly specialized vocabulary, emerging idioms, slang, shorthand, or the like. What I'm talking about is: "weres the boy going?" "whom will take out the trash?" "im not sure there coming." "wishe's are maid for ranebow's." "wire u not talking to Steve and I?" That isn't evolving language; it's just fucking wrong!
maybe our language is evolving in diverse ways so the medium becomes the way we speak. txt is good for keyboards and phonetics is good for keyboards. Bad spelling sometimes did account for the changes in language especially English.Will show you a link for that later. It amazes me that people cant spell but I look at their meaning not their spelling - I understand your concern but most of my mind wants to say: Is this an exciting development ? On the one hand I understand where you are coming from but on the other I am interested in where language is going to. I am an interested bystander who realises they cannot push back the tide and so doesnt try One thing I know from reading your posts on this board is that I respect your opinions I feel the same way often, Its a difficult one I need more time to think about it. Actually I just thought about it and edited this in later say if you tell me i spell "text" wrongly but really I spell it like 10,000 other british schoolkids "txt" - thats evolution. If they say "weres the bread, mom" how do we criticise when it could be that "Where and wear, ware and were" ar becoming redundant maybe language will change so that the spelling doesnt alter the meaning? Sorry bustramp I didnt mean it ! you know I said it with a big smile ! as you see I have now replaced the word idiot with something more suitable
As Sentient points out, language changes through the years as cultures adapt to new ideas. Allowing the evolution of language to intimidate our thought patterns will not stem its flow. Words will change. Spelling will change. Hairstyles will change. Whether the evolution of grammar is actually progressing that is another matter, which might only be answered by future generations. If things didn't change then, maybe, members in this forum would be talking something like this: Ye HippethForum and a Cast of Millions Enter White Scorpion, 17th Duke of Cornhole WS: Behold! For hath I in my pomp great knowledge of words that are to be. Enter Sentient, Earl of Anarchia, brandishing a crossbow SEN: Prithee Sirrah! Get thee gone, lest this shambolic display of linguistic shannanigans may mar your fortune. WS: Fie! Forsooth, my liege. Lend me an ear, and hear the words I have to speak. SEN: Alas, young knave. Spilleth thy beans and make it quick, for there is a public witch pyre at Michaelmass for which I hath to ascertain myself a noble seat. WS: These are the words from the future my lord... 2B OR NT 2B THT IS THE ? SEN: What foolishness! Get thee to a nunnery!
Let's face it, we're not talking about Allen Ginsberg playing with prose; this is about the dumbing down of the Masses. "There going to a party" is not a clever new approach to communication, but rather, the author never learned about contractions. Perhaps the two of you are content to sit idly by and watch the decay of culture. But I have standards, and I intend to go down swinging!
Actually some pretty smart people advocate the ways language is going and I will not be surprised if an acclaimed writer is not born soon through its use. http://books.guardian.co.uk/games/mobilepoems/0,9405,450649,00.html There is a lot to be said for change - just because we revere the writers of the past and understand them we should allow for a revolutionary new sometimes. Its not so much a dumbing down as a rejection of tradition. Those that uphold tradition usually dont see the need of the very young to push the boudaries of what can be expressed. When I was little, "Top Cat" was on telly and suddenly loads of five year olds were running round the playground saying "yikes"! and "gee" we grew out of it and left it to another generation but for that moment it was our passport to peer acceptance. Later in my late twenties I had to stop myself saying "Ace" when I meant "great" - "wow thats Ace! man !" Ace I mean who the hell says ace? well everyone I knew. nowadays I cant help but prefix surprise or applause with "wow" and I think thats the word I most hate myself for now. I at least try to spell these things properly but sometimes if I am in a rush I type and just leave it - know what I mean poeple? This is such a difficult debate for me - really half of me wants to agree and the other half doesn't. Actually I hate the keyboard I think the keyboard is singularly the major influence - that and word processing dictionaries that are so dumb they dont pick up on the meaning that is invested in the sentence - and grammar checkers which are so annoying they have to be switched off. Again this leaves my argument in this predicament. While entirely agreeing with you, I entirely see why things will not alter and as such to oppose what is happening is to be like king canut who spent days trying to get the tides of the sea to obey his commands. There is poetry in the new English. I wish I could invent some. BTW you mention Ginsberg but as White Scorpion says - If language and etymologies didnt change over time then ginsberg would have written similarly to shakespeare As long as you dont mention Susan Sontag then thats ok I will stay awake. Do I get the idea you teach for a living, P_for _platinum? I got that impression somewhere
