existentialist anarchism or anarchist existentialism?

Discussion in 'Existentialism' started by Shane99X, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    So i was reading up on Max Stirner(one of my favorite bizzaro philosophers)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner

    When i noticed that a couple sites listed this father of individualist anarchism as a sort of literary grandfather to existentialism, and it got me thinking....

    Is there a common thread between anarchism and existentialism? or at least anarchism and nihilism?
     
  2. sentient

    sentient Senior Member

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    yes very much so. You will find the Paris uprising of 1968 was the work of existentials who also were anarchists. The works of both kinds of thinkers can be seen to meld as it were. However, if you take sartre you will see that he describes . He gave a description of human life whereas anarchism prescribes a way of living -0 it gives a prescription for human life. Sartre - in some perhaps more tenuous way - can be linked to anarchists rather like marx can be linked to communists - but as I said its maybe a little tenuous to say that. Guy Debord a great french anarchist certainly thought sartre was a worthy thinker.
    Certainly in the new wave of anarchists since the 70's sartre would be seen as a bourgeois intellectual but theres no doubt he does inspire many anarchists because he delivers reasons for how it comes to be that at the end of the day, man is a socially responsible being that is capable of reconfiguring what he was into what he becomes
    But if you must watch USA films you may like this film - read this review that is very detailed and full of historical fact
    http://www.aboutfilm.com/movies/w/wakinglife3.htm
    its best to read the above link before going to the official site below BTW
    paris 1968 - google it for great images
    of the beginning of the european revolution
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    ps in answer to the title I believe the correct way is to say existential anarchist - since according to sartre and reason dictates - we are primarily existentialist before we are anything else. Existentialism describes mans relation to the world, whatever the circumstances of the world

    anarchists at work !
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  3. fexurbis

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    Yes, there is a certain connection. When people ask me what political system I subscribe to, I say all systems are fallible. Then they ask me, are you an anarchist? I say, I'm influenced by it, but if I had to give it a label, I'd say I'm an existentialist.


    I am currently reading both Stirner and Sartre. Quite a coincidence. I'm not sure, but I think the connection is that existentialists are skeptical of prescribed methods whatever they are. Existentialists view the world primarily through the lens of individuals, and "shoulds" and "ought tos" become more and more a matter of laughter and clearly "social superstitions" (as Max Stirner would say).

    I do not subscribe to anarchism entirely because it is utopian. That is when I take a step back. Much the same with Marxism.

    Life is meant to be messy and imperfect. Suffering and "injustice" is necessary and indelible.
     
  4. sentient

    sentient Senior Member

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    an idealism if ever I saw one, usually expounded by right wing capitalists who exploit on one hand and say - things will soon be better - we promise !
     
  5. fexurbis

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    Well, the difference is that I maintain that things will NOT get better. The idealism is precisely in denying that, and, like all idealism, it covers up for the messy stuff people are afraid to admit to or accept. I still say, fight oppression and injustice tooth and nail, but like everything, do it playfully. The notion that your struggle will lead to an idyllic utopia somewheres in the future is cowardly and self-serving. Suffering is a part of the human (and not only human) condition, I don't care what political system you come up with.
     
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