SADDAM - A Life Retrospective (flash video)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pressed_Rat, Dec 30, 2006.

  1. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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  2. sentient

    sentient Senior Member

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    Great video I'm surprised more people never viewed it

    It is interesting to note that many members of iraqs new regime also served in the CIA both on and off American territory
    Same shit different agents
     
  3. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I'm not surprised. Most people in this forum are afraid of the truth and would rather believe the lies they're fed by CNN and FOX. This is probably one of the most politically uninformed forums on the entire net, along with some of the hardcore neocon and neolib forums. A lot of people here know nothing more than what the corporate controlled media has told them, and they have bought into it hook, line and sinker. Anyone who says anything that hasn't been approved by the corporate media is a "conspiracy theorist," and that's why you hear a lot of zombies here simply regurgitating what they heard Wolf Blitzer say.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    That was very well done. Thanks for the link.
     
  5. Pepik

    Pepik Banned

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    Complete and utter garbage. I don't even know where to begin - not that anyone would care how many lies and distortions are in there.

    It amazes me that people believe this kind of propaganda. It proves that for many people "if it is what I want to hear, then it must be true".
     
  6. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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    No one in the U.S. government or the general public in the U.S. for that matter was complaining when he was using chemical weapons in the 80s. Some actually felt good about it during the Reagan years in wake of the way Iran embarassed the U.S. with the hostage crisis. 'Good! He's kicking Iran's butt for us!"

    I hear some people today trying to argue that Saddam was a nice guy and that he only went bad after he invaded Kuwait. That's the way some people rationalize that it was ok for the U.S. to be doing business with the guy.

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  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Everything that was stated in the video can be documented. Pepik likes to think if he states things enough times everyone will believe him like they did the republicans with their threats of WMD.
     
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    shaggie Senior Member

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    The knowledge about the transfer of west nile and anthrax in the 80s from the U.S. through the CDC to Iraq was found accidentally by the Congress during a civil trial involving someone named Tichener and sales of items to Iraq during the 80s. Someone will always claim it was for benevolent medical purposes, but why in the world would the U.S. transfer such things in the midst of what Saddam was doing in the 80s?

    Many of the young people serving in Iraq today weren't even born yet when Rummy was shaking hands with Saddam. Some people are still claiming that the video is a fake.

    One of the best political cartoons I've seen is one of Saddam in jail just after his capture. Rumsfeld walks in and Saddam blurts out happily, "RUMMY!"

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  9. Pepik

    Pepik Banned

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    Well no, it can't, because a lot of it is utter crap. The thing is no matter how many errors I point out, you'll just think "oh so it is full of errors, the point is Saddam is America's fault". Nobody cares about the facts, they care about the conclusion. Like the conclusion? Then its a good video. The facts are not the point.

    For starters, it suggests that Saddam was a CIA asset. The CIA pays all kind of people to be informants. That doesn't make them CIA controlled stooges, it makes them people who make money from the CIA. Ho Chi Minh worked with the CIA, does that mean he was a CIA asset? Obviously not, but Buzzflash isn't for the kind of people who think about those things. It is for the kind of people that think if the CIA ever had contact with Saddam, then that means they controlled him and brought him to power. After all, if he was CIA asset and we sponsored his coup, why would it "almost certainly" be a gain for our side? Why would putting your own man in power not certainly be a gain? Obviously if he wasn't controlled by the CIA. We don't even know what other intelligence agencies he worked with, these are the kinds of things Buzzflash doesn't want in its videos, propaganda doesn't work that way. And at the end of the video, Buzzflash is calling Saddam a 40-year CIA asset. Is anyone dumb enough to believe that Saddam was still a CIA asset after his country was invaded twice?

    For the same reason, is there one mention of the fact that 99% of Saddam' arms were bought from countries other than the US? The his primary financial backers through the war with Iran were other Gulf states? Oh no, who needs to know that. All the Buzzflash viewers need to know is that the US armed Iraq, the fact that it was less than 1% of Saddam's arms is something Buzzflash viewers don't need to know. So when they say Reagan told him to invade Iran and gave him arms and money, it is easier to believe that Saddam said "whatever you say, Ron", because Buzzflash has been distorting and misleading you right up to that point. They even say the US gave him chemical and biological weapons, which i have proved over and over again is false. NOBODY GAVE HIM WMDs, he developed his own. Buzzflash doesn't mention that the germ samples have legitimate uses and were ordered by Iraqi university labs, and were easily available at the time. No, Buzzflash doesn't want you to know that. Later the video again says that "Iraq uses US supplied chemical weapons against Iran". THIS IS A TOTAL LIE. The US never supplied chemical weapons to Iraq.

    The video goes on to paint a disgustingly sympathetic story about cash starved Iraq forced to threaten evil Kuwait, which was somehow specifically responsible for making the global oil price too low. Yet why would Kuwait do that, when Iraq owed them so much money (debts Iraq cancelled after they invaded Kuwait)? Buzzflash doesn't worry if its analysis is garbage.

    Finally, the video suggest that the US gave Iraq the go ahead to invade Kuwait. Except they didn't. They said they had no opinion on the border dispute - how does that mean invade and annex the entire country? Its hilarious that Buzzflash makes excuses for Saddam's regime that Saddam's regime didn't even make for itself. That's because Buzzflash is more than willing to be an apologist for a mass murdering dictator in pursuit of villifying Bush. What, was the US army hiding behind a Kuwaiti sand dune waiting to pounce on poor innocent Saddam? No, it was months before the US forces attacked Iraq, and came after Security Council resolutions. Saddam wouldn't budge.

    Come on Gardener, don't let people lie to you like that. The video is garbage.
     

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