2007 sees the G8 meeting in Heiligendamm, Germany, on the Baltic Coast. I have listed the official G8 agenda and a couple of UK G8 opposition groups who are helping to arrange transport and inform people of travel and accommodation possibilities this is this years G8 presidential homepage Uk anarchists - The Wombles global left wing alliance resist.org Globalise Resistance brings together groups and individuals opposed to the global growth of corporate power from the Wombles site Help Force the G8 to shut down its corrupt agenda. Anyone who is going to demonstrate in Germany can find information at either of the above sites Join the growing Anticapitalist Revolution and help bring capitalism to its knees
I dont oppose it, perse' - that is to say its not an issue of whether one has the right to own it but how one chooses to use it. It is an issue of responsibility not rights. Rights are for people who are exploited - responsibility is the opportunity to be non exploitative Laws are there to ensure that ethics are applied to a problem - my beef here is that capitalism is not responsible and has no regard for human rights - therefore its laws on ownrship are corrupt
Why don't you oppose subsidies and trade barriers in rich countries? That would be a useful agenda that would be in line with what developing countries actually want from the G8. The anticapitalist views of groups like the wombles don't represent the third world.
Problem is, gardener, they all say that and have been saying it since the first G8 summits - but nothing gets done. Its a mantra not an action plan and is designed to keep people thinking thats what they want but lets analyse that Eastern Europe and Turkey How to keep europe and the USA with heads above water Crackdown on software piracy None of the Kyoto treaty signees can keep their promises - lets discuss the proposals by the USA who consistently deny global warming is manmade - against the advice of 99.99% of scientists One effect of defeating capitalism - would be a proper dialogue on the 3rd world instead of some half assed tongue in cheek comments that are passed at the G8
Defeating capitalism would result in global poverty. Capitalism has been defeated in many countries, the results have been catastrophic every time. Why are you trying to impose and end to capitalism when third world countries themselves don't want it? Why should your views be forced on them?
Pepik - You just stated the reason why people like Sentient just keep on babbling. It's all rhetoric to them. They accuse, they demand, but they don't put up! Pepik is right, the world would see such death and destruction as never before imagined if capitalistic means were to be stopped. Sentient knows this as well, he just thinks it's bitchin' to be thought of as an anarchist. Every generation has them, and none have ever offered a comprehensive alternative, just vague statements. It seems to give them a reason to get up the next morning, so don't give them any thought. I quit posting because of the innane rhetoric. No one ever posted anything other than the vague philisophical BS. Neither modern nations or third world countries can exist on BS, but that doesn't seem to stop the Sentients of the world. What a waste.
Modern countries can't continue to exist on the bullshit that they buy into based soley on WallStreet returns either. There are other concerns besides the bottomline. Capitalism could work with oversight and transparency in place. But those two items are things that most multinational corporations want to undermine. Why should we protect the products they are marketing while the individual is not considered valuable in the calculation.
The bottomline IS the main concern in business. Without business you have....? Government run industry? Dictator controlled industries? What? When you have business you have certain business realities, and the bottomline is one that just won't go away no matter how much you hate it. And globalized industries and multi-national corporations are key to the production of certain commodities and resources. Why would you want to dismantle them? They exploit people? Yes, people are exploited to manufacture items cheaply. But my experience says it's the lax oversight of governments that are the villains here. You want economic change? Do it from within. The people who protest the G8 meetings are just wasting time. Getting the right people into government will get you better results. Influencing people in government will get you better results. Enacting laws that do what you say is important is the key! But will these people who post their rants dedicate part of their lives to do just that? Nope! It's all just rhetoric and feel-good philosophies. I meet with the representatives in my state and in March I'm going to Washington DC to practice what I preach. I've been there before. Doesn't make me better than anyone else, just someone who really does want to do what makes a difference and has more of a chance of making that difference than burning someone else's car on a street or smashing up someone else's business. Why should we protect the products they are marketing while the individual is not considered valuable in the calculation? Until protections are put into place by you and others doing something about it (read above) other than just talking about it, answer this...what are the real life consequences to these same individuals if we don't?
