Was Hiv engineered ?

Yesterday I read an article in a newspaper about some Hiv theories. The title was: "Was hiv created by human?" It says that a german professor have studied for more than 20 years the hiv origin and according to this professor the hiv virus was engineered in the US military laboratory called Ford Detrick between 1977 and 1978 and was firstly injected to the military officers who have been told it is a vaccine. It says also that there is a threatment which is able to kill the virus in people who are already hiv positive, but it is a big secret, cause the pharmacy organisations will lose a many many money if they stop to produce medicines, able to menage the CD4 cells in the hiv positive patients.

Actually the thing which is very suspicious about hiv is the year when it was recognised for a first time - in 1981. This was in the heat of the cold war. If we presume that the hiv virus existed in the monkeys (as the official theory says) many many years before 1981, then why it was recognised so late and why nobody suffered of AIDS before that? Obviously it was a top secret experiment, but while having the tests on humans to see how exactly the hiv virus works, the experimental process suddenly has gone out of control and even if someone wanted to stop this it was impossible. Years ago I considered such theories as preposterous, now day after day I persuade myself that we should not trust the official theories so much.

 

It was no experiment gone wrong -- it was intended to be like this. The goal is to reduce the human population massively. AIDS is a great helper in this end.

 

AIDS/HIV was created by american scientists shortly after the famous Kissinger Memorandum, was submitted at a meeting of the highest levels of the National Security Council.


The meeting of the NSC was on the mounting global population crisis, and the memo proposed that a synthetic virus be created at one of the many top secret bio-weapons facilities in the U.S. and introduced into a third world country.


The World Health Organization's vaccination program, they concluded, was the perfect vehicle in which to introduce the virus into an unsuspecting population.



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I agree with Nalencer. Also here is what Devon Jackson (authur of Conspiranoia, such an awesome book!!) has to say about it:

Deadly "plague" that first appeared in 1981, usually transmitted through sexual contact or contaminated blood. According to Dr. Alan Cantwell, author of Queer Blood, AIDS and HIV blossomed possibly as a result of a U.S. government experiment: In 1978, the National Institutes of Heath and the CDC inoculated more than 1,000 nonmonogamous gay men with an experimental vaccine (designed by Merck and Abbott Labs, among other pharmaceutical companies) designed to stamp out hepatitis B. By 1984, 64 percent of those vaccinated had developed AIDS. According to German scientist jakob Segal AIDS grew out of the U.S. Army Biological Warfare research at Fort Detrick (where scientists merged the visna sheep virus with the human T-cell leukemia virus) as an act of Eugenics designed to eradicate gay men and Africans.

 

I heard that it all started from SIV ( The monkey form of HIV ). How did this get into humans you ask ? Well back when polio was becoming an epidemic they first made the innoculation to prevent it from monkey kidneys, some of these monkeys were said to have SIV. They then tested these anti-polio serums massivly in Africa. Just what I can remember from an article I read.

 

The article you read was bullshit.

 

Read 'Emerging Viruses' by Dr. Len Horowitz. He puts all the pieces together to show that it was manufactured in a lab by the United States government.

 

.....that and any other conspiracy you need to have put together. lenny pretty much covers them all.....5 bux says he a dentist.

 

thank you! i stand beside my Devon Jackson guy! i swear by him honestly!

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really off the subject but..
i want to do a random smiley thing...

atriot:

NOT!!!!!!!

 

"5 bux" says you're an idiot.

 

Something that I've never heard anyone else mention, is that about 13% of people with north European decent have a Delta 32 gene mutation, which makes them naturally highly resistant or immune to HIV/AIDS. It alters the mechanisms inside the white blood cells, also making them highly resistant or immune to the black plague. This mutation is found nowhere else in the populations of the world. Sound suspicious?? I don't know.

 

asshole doctors grew polio vacines on untested mediums[ie chimp kidney extracts ] that were contaminated ....not a conspiricy but a trajedy of the brutal belgian colonial assholes

 

engineered yes, but not as a weapon nor as what it has turned out to be.

if one reads in the pharmacological and medical research journals of the years immediatly leading up to the first successful heart transplants, numerous articles are to be found, detailing experiments in persuit of methods to repress the body's immune system's tendency to reject transplanted organs.

one of the most promising lines of this research were taylored micro-organisms, bacterii and verii. it is thus hardly surprising that the first reported cases of hiv aids turned up in south africa, just arround this time. very closely arround the time of the first successful heart transplants.

the resaulting epedimic of these little monsters escaping from the lab, was thus less likely an intentional premeditated act, but rather a "little oops!" that has since turned out to be a BIG one.

i have no trouble at all, picturing empoverished intravenus drug users climbing into unsecured and unguarded dumpsters behing university biology departments to recycle needles that had been used in testing such engineered viruses on non-human life forms.

this was in an era, not that long ago, when bio-hazardous waste, such as a university biology lab might generate, wasn't exactly guarded like forn knox.

this to me is a simple and logical explanation of its origen.
pure speculation i know, but one i find much more compelling then others those who feel every harmful thing has to have some sort of intentional villan behind it insist upon.

there are many real and sometimes terrible conspiracies that do take place.
the highly probable likelyhood of persons in highest political office, at the very least, holding the door open for those twenty guys who ripped off those four airplanes and knocked down those two and a half buildings with them.

the matter of aids is however, by contrast, one i don't see as requiring any sinesterly motivated premeditated act. only an inadvertantly 'premediCated' one.

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kinda expected that from you, btw guess that means you owe me 10 bux."which i'm sure your a welcher too" I GUARANTEE i pay more in taxes than you'll ever gross son, so go back to your ball washing, ass wiping job an remember that.

 

cadcruzer is a typical fucking douche bag who has to talk shit over the internet because if he said anything to anyone face to face he would get clocked the fuck out.

 

More likely he's a moron who can only confront people online because he can't come up with responses to people's arguments in real time. Not that his responses are anything to be impressed by either...

 

neat lil club you have nance, AHH an pressed rat. what a group. all these remarks from wimps who cant even go outside without fear of the boogey man. go back to your mom's basement play your PS2 an jack off, it's all your good at.and no i dont think HIVwas engineered.

 

You just sound like a moron using blanket insults like those. I believe I already addressed that earlier in the thread. All it proves is you have no legitimate arguments against the individual people or ideas. We really don't care about your uneducated opinions.

 

haha I just worked a 10 hour shift today...then went out to dinner with my girlfriend (yes cadcruzer some people have girlfriends)...now im chillin at home and lookin at hipforums for a few minutes and checking it out, so your ridiculous insults that all i do is play ps2 and jerk off is bullshit, that's you bro.

 

You might be right, but then again you might be wrong.

It could have been an unanticipated random convergence of events which led to the formation of HIV.

But this is the conspiracy thread and I'm not one to discount the evil that men do (with all due respect to Charles Bronson)



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