Is globalisation a right wing thing?

And MB, is it right to see 12 year old kids and younger working in the fields for pennies a day?

And we send them and their papas out to work a field that was just sprayed with chemicals.

 

Gardener, I wouldn't waste my energy on those who STILL refuse to see reason. The proper term, by the way, in this sense, is CORPORATE globalization.

As global citizens, we all want to see the globalization of justice, prosperity and compassion. The globalization being promoted by the global elite is one that further expands the chasm between the 'Haves and the Have-Nots". They are very aware of it too.

Research the PNAC (project for a new american century) document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses".

Oh, and 9/11 was a "false-flag" attack orchestrated by the global elite in order to expedite the drive toward "full spectrum dominance", as drawn out extensively in the PNAC document.

The 9/11 commission report was anything but "independent" and was indeed a whitewash of the true events that unfolded on 9/11/01.

http://www.911blogger.com
http://www.911truth.org
and many links

For the voluntary ignoramouses who will undoubtedly say "conspiracy nut", google "David Ray Griffin", "Webster Tarpley" and "PNAC". The 9/11 truth movement is indeed global now, despite the corporate media's near-black out of this movement.

 

Well be careful of referring to the PNAC they have disbanded and gone underground. Most still hold postions of power, but they are just waiting for you to mention the PNAC and they will discredit you because it's no longer active. You have to stay up with the marketing or they will win out, and they can afford the best as far as marketing.

 

Who are waiting to discredit whom ?.

 

outdated? there is no expiry date to racial prefferences. even a tolerant white employer has a bigger chance of employing someone that is white than someone that is black. i know that that is true because thats what i and many people expirience.

what do you specifically mean by "this"?

firstly africa is a huge ass continent, your talking about it as if it were one country with one common history. secondly, what is your point?

thirdly in kenya-east africa (for example) the socialism did lead to more equality, it united a multi lingual culture and thanks to socialism they dealt with a famine: all farmers had a system were they had to share what they had with others. in a capitalist economy you can forget that kind of thing. capitalism just wants rich people it doesnt want poor people. that is not outdated talk that is very contemporary.

i used to think that that those problams didnt exist anymore. however once you enter the real world then you notice that the most of the past problems were never solved. the world today just supports the creation of a bunch of products that you dont need so that everybody thinks that we are actually developing as a people. we are actually de-developing. we are becoming more ignorant and the new machines are becoming more obsolete.

fourthly, china even though it calles itself communist is more capitalist than the usa. the chinese pollute lots of its nature and have lots of sweat shops, not because of communism, but for capitalism.

 

You're quite welcome, gardener! Thanks for reading -

And further - I agree completely that the correct term is corporate globalism.
That clarifies what otherwise can become immersed in social rhetoric that clouds the issues.
Currency and commodity futures traders flip around something in the neighborhood of 5 times the accumulated wealth of the world every day.
They do not create wealth - they intercept it.
(James Howard Kuntsler refers to this as "hallucinated" wealth.)

What's rotten about this - is that it witholds so much capital from actual investment - that could go places to do good things for people. Instead, it dicks around with local, regional and world economies, and ratchets up luxury consumption.

A curious by-product of this - is the way it winds up forcing so many people to live beyond their means. Anyone can sit back and say these are foolish people (like the poor slob who goes to Vegas and gambles away the home equity) - but this is something entirely different.
In North America the real religion now is the worship of wealth. Sensible and hard-working people occupy (in their minds and attitudes, at least) a middle class status that in no way resembles the earned and secure status this would have represented 30 years ago.
In fact, since the 2 oil crises of the 70's (1973 and 1979) they have never really caught up with the after-affects.
North America has certainly become Conservative-respectful (notice all the ways and means this extended society observes and resembles the business and the military elites.)
Just look at the hair, for starters...[wink]
But beyond all that - notice how the greed has become a kind of ordained holy grail.
As silly as Cheney's blather about the god-given right to a way of life not remotely sustainable in our planet's future......
Yeah, and now maybe I'm just a little too religious-political.

Good point, rak - about Africa as a continent of many countries, regions, religions, ethnic diversities...
(check out what's happening in Lagos these days - and how this relates to the debts created by globalized economic models.)

A number of years ago Mark Hertsgaard travelled to China and reported back on what he found there - but western journalism is certainly not offered any red carpet rolled out for honest reporting.
How Chinese people actually feel about what is happening in their country still remains a mystery to us. The reason why is rather obvious. Corporate globalizers reap the benefits of their oppression.

 

i would say the globalization of trade, while if anything raising rather then lowering barriers to international immegration, is a "right-wing thing". even if so called liberal polatitians, have also engauged in promotion of it. maybe not so much a right or left thing as a blindness to real freedom, well being, and even survival thing, something the right is traditionaly more callus to then the left, but i have to aggree i'm not so sure any 'wing' can be claimed to entirely 'own'.

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Fine with me.

That's correct, yes.

Actually no, this is obviously false. If this were true, nobody would invest in China, because wages are higher than in Sierra Leone. There would be no companies in New York, because labour costs are lower in Alabama. And South Korea would never have gone from poverty to prosperity because it would have immediately been undercut buy poorer countries. Try reading about things like comparative advantage, and venturing outside your left wing propaganda reading list.

If that were true Burma, North Korea, Cuba, Congo, and Somalia would be overflowing with investment. But they are all investment deserts. In fact who attracts the most FDI? Check this table. It totally contradicts what you are saying.

http://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/10/27/global_foreign_direct_investment_fdi_inflows_surge.html

Funny, you were just telling us about a race to the bottom. How did this middle class spring up in two of the poorest countries in the world?

One thing that the left has a hard time understanding is that wealth isn't fixed, it is created. You do not have to make someone poor to make someone else middle class. This is of course obvious if you look at history - see South Korea, as I mentioned before. Is the poor in South Korea worse of than 30 years ago? Obviously not.

And a pretty poor one at that.

Are you crazy? The right wing gave us the cold war? So the USSR, which occupied and subjugated eastern Europe, had nothing to do with it? Ask yourself which side of the Berlin wall you'd have rather found yourself at the end of WWII.

 

But anyone who believes 9/11 was a government conspiracy is a conspiracy loon. The evidence is overwhelming, and the 911 conspiracy websites are full of complete garbage that only the most gullible, lazy idiot could believe.

 

Globalisation , if u look at it closely , is a very unpleasant right wing scam.

It was forged by far right groups - typically 5th , 10 th , 100th generation inherited wealth.ie people so rich business is beyond making money , its purely about power and a warped ideology.

Globalists control the money , government and the media.
Their main ploy is to portray other economic theories as "uncool" , "old fashioned " etc etc.

They control the west by saturating it with debt and stunting the growth of human resources .Human resources are a threat to their lofty positions.
This happens everywhere- Ive seen gifted Oxford graduates on the dole - yet they talk about the "debt crisis" and "skills gap".

The Establishment doesnt want growth- it merely wants to increase its share of the pie.Look how it suppresses technology.

Our debt is merely the money from the central bank sold on at huge mark up to private banks ( the Establishment).
Ultimately , this money comes from OURSELVES in taxes.
( The Establishment pays very little in taxes , if any)

Much of this money in our taxes and pensions is sent to fascist type states ( modern China , Asia , etc).
We cant compete with these states because whatever we do , we are screwed by mega high taxes.

The lie is that this is for schooling , healthcare and unemployment benefit.
In reality it goes for overpriced arms , and siphoned to the Establishment to relocate our own businesses to China etc.

Remember the Establishment controls both the "left " and "right".


Ironically these investment recipients are the very places we'd be most likely to be in a 3rd world war against

Once you take away the tax component of our wages and what we buy , youll realise that our wages are infact nowhere near as high as we thought.
Think of the tax on booze , cigs , petrol and income that your typical working class person pays.
A 15k GB Pounds wage , begins to look more like 2.5k GBP or so when u look at its actual purchasing power vs the third world


If we complain , they "take away our sweeties" ie healthcare etc-like were little kids.

So , think about it.Our own taxes are used to destroy our own jobs.
Or lent back to us to eat while we're in college - before we get jobs at McDonalds etc! Or lent back when we're retired and it turns out our pensions were a scam.


Its actually massively inefficient to transfer a factory from the West to China.
Theres logistics , training ,building etc etc.Then theres the crime and loss of skills and earnings in the West.
But the scam works because the asset price in the west is horrendously overpriced
- overpriced because of the tax pounds /dollars we have vested in it.

These taxes dont really do much - just get sent abroad by the Establishment.

The working class man owes the debts of a 15k income person BUT he has the purchasing power of a 2.5 k person.
See how the scam works?

No?Dont worry.

I'll put it another way.
What we have spent decades building up in the West with our debt and labour and ideas , is sold off and pocketed by the Establishment.

Also , its not ( yet!) legal to shoot striking workers in the West.
So its a way of forcing the West's masses to be more subservient.

And thats where all this leads.The West's Establishment ( or much of it) wants to control us at all times and at all costs
Why?
Well just like any playground bully
Purely because it thinks it can.

BTW my jobs international trade and investment.
Best wishes all.

 

The PNAC/neocons....they no longer openly exist, and they just wait for people that refer to them to bring it up. Then they can discredit anything related to the discussion.

 

Oh i see.

 

It's neither a right wing nor left-wing thing, it is from a group of people who need the desire to control other human beings.

 

What would the world be with out it ?.

 

Globalization tends to imply economic feedom actually. Not social control. You're just being paranoid.

 

I wouldn't say control but more that they want everyone to become one. Meaning that people in rich countries will go down a bit and people in poor countries will come up thus all meeting somewhere in the middle. Then there will only be the super wealthy who will control everything as they already do.

 

Why are you pondering whether it's left or right? During the 1930s the US, in a depression and under a Democratic President, developed the CCC and the New Deal. At the same time Germany under a nationalist dictator (facist) developed the Nazi Party. Our President Lincoln, a Whig, fought to unify the industrial north with the rural south while Kennedy, a Dem and from a wealthy family, sought integregation from a George Wallace influenced south which sought to suppress coloreds from breaking out of the low-classed, racial biased southern culture. When it comes to economics, dems and your so-called neo-cons burden the same yoke!

 

It's both
Left and Right are just different ways to look at modernism
They are both a result of the industrial revolution

Globalism is the culmination of Western colonialism
In the past Left and Right were confined to Europe/North America , now they are everywhere

People all over the world are adopting a Western modern life style and at the same time choose between Right and Left
sadly , very few look beyond Left and Right

 

Nothing wrong with 'western modern life style'

I'm prety much a centrist. With a touch of 'right wing' about me. What about YOU ?.

 

corporatocracy is a right wing thing and it's doing this world more harm then good.

eleminating national bariers to unarmed civilians would be good thing though.

so really this word globalization has come to mean pretty close to the exact opposite of what back in the 60s and 70s we had in mind.

i have nothing against watching borders, but i don't believe anyone should be stopped or turned back at them unless they happen to be wearing military uniforms, carrying military hardware or marching in formation.

as for fairness of trade, i don't think trade unions should stop at borders or have to either. i think if a company had to pay everyone a living wage, wherever it hired them, this would eleminate all this exporting jobs to where they could hire people as defacto slaves.

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