Does God Exist?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Art Delfo, Jan 7, 2007.

  1. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    It's a topic that has been done before but needs to be brought back form time to time.

    So then...

    Does God Exist?If god exists what his/her's/it's/thier nature?What are the implications on the rest of existance if god exists?If god does not exist what is the cause rather than god?Is there a cause in the first place?
     
  2. Bongish

    Bongish Banned

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    since the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim:

    if you claim "yes"---prove it.

    if you claim "no"--- prove it.
     
  3. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    If you play with the idea of God's existence/non-existence long enough, you may recognize your actual question is really about what it means to exist

    The great mystics realize God transcends all concepts one may know about existence/non-existence.

    The next question, of course, is: What else does God do (besides exist and/or not exist)?

    Peace and Love
     
  4. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    why can't you just see god , what's with all this failure of perception
    it might help if people who claim perception would just be quiet and give everybody else a chance
     
  5. spook13

    spook13 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Yes.

    He's stomping around in heaven, mad as hell at the human race that he created and continues to create on this little planet. He and Jesus are busy plotting the second coming and last judgment and tallying up the saved and unsaved, while the rest of the universe apparently takes care of itself.
     
  6. Fallout55

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    First define god.
    Then ill give you my opinion as I see form my life and my circumstances and nothing more.

    do you mean god as an all knowing, all seeing man who lives high in the sky? Or do you mean god as an undefinabole force or connection that can paly a role larger than what we as humans have yet evolved to understand fully?

    I belive there is something beyond us and i belive its palin for all of us to see, we are jsut so use to it we foret about it. i'm talking about nature here, as we all come form nauter ro atleast our shells do and we will all reurn our shells someday so that has to be something special, but there are so many ways of looking at it at so many levels nature my not be god in some sense but when your life is in nautres hands for that moment nature is god and god is life.

    I hope you understand what I mena when I say on difrent levels.
    your ego is god on some levels in that it causes you to act a certain way or to chose a certain path. also things like instinct, desire, and your needs are all god on difrent levels.

    If you would Define what you mena by the word "god" I can tell you If i belive there is a god or not.
     
  7. OnlyOne

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    only in yoh fatherfigurefixated mind.
     
  8. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    God is the ultimate reality, omni-transcendent, and therefore, undefinable.

    Look and listen to the world you are in. Reality exists . . . more than you think, or feel, or believe, or experience, or want, or understand, or . . .

    Recognizing and realizing the whole relationship between this ultimate reality and humanity is the original point of every religious and spiritual tradition.

    Peace and Love
     
  9. OnlyOne

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    duh ok, maybe baby,
     
  10. prismatism

    prismatism loves you

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    observation creating definite matter without judgment might be what god is.

    so nobody could ever prove or disprove it...

    but maybe it's something else. :).
     
  11. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    HowTo:Aruge for God

    To prove God we must make him nessarcy. He cannot be proven with science because science is about the seen or reconizeable. Therefore you have to prove God with reason.

    1.The universe is in motion
    2.Any action will have an reaction,every cause has an effect
    3.The Universe can only then be in motion if a first action came about
    4.Only beings,things with an awarness can self motivate with out cause
    5.Therefore a being, God, started the first motion. He is what you would call the Prime Mover.

    Atheist:O RLY? But where did this God come from?

    1.If God is first God is uncerated
    2. therefore all existance would depend on God, God becomes the princple of all existance.
    3.Therefore God is One with everything. The body of God is no-self. God becomes the first Buddha.

    HowTo: Aruge for Atheism

    1.Laws in the universe exist. These laws don't change.
    2. If they do not change then they can easliy move matter becuase that is the way they are.
    3.done.

    So the question would be...are the laws in our universe constant?This is a science question. So yeah.Help us out science savy people.
     
  12. NightRose

    NightRose idiosynractic rose

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    No one can prove that he does exist. No one can prove that he doesnt exist.
    Each one of us has our own opinions about it. Im sticking to mine that no he doesnt exist. I tried christianity once, and the more I learnt about it, the more rediculous the whole idea became. So I have no God. Its interesting seeing everyones different opinions and beliefs, gives you something to think/talk about amongst other people. I guess in a woman of both faith and science at times where I need something to believe in. Its great having the freedom of being your own God. Try it.
     
  13. sexylilunicornbutt

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    No one can prove that any sentient being exists other than one's own self, though. You can loosely believe that anyone exists, without really knowing anything about them, and have a fairly accurate idea of how much power and authority that person wields, and still be correct: Yes, they actually do exist. Just like God, you don't have to know everything about God in order to justifiably believe that God exists. Very loosely, we're talking about an enormously powerful sentient being that gives a shit about us, and we can assume that this being knows that we're attempting to refer to it.
     
  14. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    Define existence, in your own words.
     
  15. OnlyOne

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    definety azz street
     
  16. soaringeagle

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    does it really matter if god exists or not? existance exists and thats good enough for me
     
  17. relaxxx

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    There's really 2 ideas of what God basically is. There is the popular religious belief in a conscious God who oversees, judges and grants access to heaven and eternal bliss. Then there is a more simplistic God is some force that created energy and the universe.

    If one was to believe that the popular religious concept of God or God's exists then he or they must really get off in misery and destruction. Am I to believe that the creator of the universe is so selfish and egotistical to demand worship, evoke hatred in millions, and promise eternal ecstasy to those who sacrifice their lives in religious warfare?

    I am 100% positive, without one single tiny doubt, that the religious God does not exist. Religion is a self destructive mental illness and a detriment to the long term health and advancement of the human race. It is an infectious social sickness that has killed and destroyed more lives than and other illness.

    The other idea of God being some force that gave the universe energy and matter and whatnot is too vague of an idea to even really comment on. There was obviously some force that created energy that created matter but whatever it was I don't believe it was a conscious entity and definitely not a God in the classical definition.

    God is really nothing more than a concept of man's imagination, a tool to control the masses, and a weapon to destroy other masses.
     
  18. dd3stp233

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    No. A mystery is a mystery not god.
     
  19. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    a good idea is that
    the univurse was first and its current state is its natural state, as without the interference of something unnatural to the univurse, every product of the univurse would be natural though not always good....yes?

    the univurse needs no cause....no great creation or big bang to simply exist indefinitely.....as this is the most logical idea known to mankind reguarding the "creation of the univurse".....and noone but god himself can prove it wrong
     
  20. OnlyOne

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    got~damn duh goverment man.
     

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