Meat Flavoured Food

exactly! Well said. I eat the way i do because that is the way I am. I couldn't imagine eatting an animal.

 

um that was me that said that lol

 

LMFAO. ROTFL.

I have every right to be in any forum I choose. Like everyone here I am entitled to my own opinions, what right do you have to say that I am unwelcome here. I find it amusing that your all getting so worked up about this. There are many different types of vegitarians and there are even a few new types. I never said that you would find meat in the word vegetarian (and no matter how its spelled you get the drift of it). Your just trying to find ways to pick on me now, and it is hilarious.

I do not need to re-read my own post, I have been a vegetarian for two years now. True that I do eat poultry and sea food, but thats only on very rare occasions (once or twice every couple of months at most). You could have bothered asking me that.

I know of a few vegetarians just like me who eat both chicken and fish, sometimes only chicken. Most have been vegetarians as long as I have. I have no doubts that there are many others like me on this site too. I say that if I feel that I am vegetarian then I am. I dont need other people telling me what I am and what I'm not.

To be honest I find alot of you people to be very critical and judgemental of the young hippies in these forums, as if we arent worthy of entering here because we werent born in the 60's and arent "old hippies", but we do have every right to come in here, and express our thaughts just like you. If you have a beef with me being my own kind of vegetarian keep it to yourself, you have made your point in saying that you dont agree with me, and I have read your posts. There is no need to be saying that I have no right to be in here, it is rude and very inconsiderate of you for saying that. All of you.

lol

Get over it and get on with your judgmental lives.
Peace out.

 

sorry lucyinthesky16...apologies.

Nightrose I think that you are behaving like what is called a troll and if you don't know what that means then I suggest getting a dictionary. It might also help you with your definition of what is vegetarian.
:troll:
Whilst I might seem old to you I have also been vegetarian longer than you have been alive and since day one it has been people like you who have no understanding of the correct wording that has made it harder for me to eat out and enjoy restaurant or family meals without a few hiccups. I think that the idea that you can call yourself whatever you like is fine, so long as you don't live on the planet earth or speak English! Get a bit of a reality check and think a bit about how you are presenting yourself. No one here wants to pick fights but rather offer themselves as support and you are behaving like a spoilt little brat at the moment by not only not understanding the English language but also pissing on the support that is there for you if you decide that you might like to not eat meat at all. Seriously you might want to consider that the aggression you have in your posts here comes from how you feel about your own actions rather than how we live our own lives. It's great to want to rebel and be a rebel but go and do that number with people who care because if you keep being so full on here then you will probably find that people will just disengage from you.
*shrugs*

 

Know what? Do what you want.
I'm tired of defending my beliefs just to have someone tear them apart, and I'm letting myself down and losing my cool by responding to you.
You win... but don't expect the real vegetarian community to welcome you with open arms or take any notice of you.

 

this reminds me of the other day when my mum made me quorn chicken but then sprinkled chicken stock cube on it which is made from animal fat CHEERS MUM so yeah i didnt eat it.

but yeah nightrose if you eat chicken (poultry) you are not vegetarian.

 

NightRose what you are is called a frugatarian... It means you rarely eat mean but do eat fish and poultry occasionally (or that is all the meat that you eat), which sounds like your eating style..
You looked up different kinds of vegetarians and posted them and proved to yourself that none of those eat fish or poultry - especially a strict one. Strict vegetarian would mean that you never ever eat any kind of meat - and red meat has nothing to do with it.
I'm trying to clearly state this for you so people don't get mad anymore.. thats the definitions though!

 

Or maybe its flexitarian..? I don't feel like looking it up...

 

Well if you eat chicken or fish your not a vegetarian but I think shouting at you isnt the way forward , if you say you eat chicken very occasionally people should be trying to get you to move you gradually away from eating chicken or fish at all .

I personally think its better to have very low meat eaters or people gradually moving away from meat eating whatever the hell they call themselves .
The more we as a society move away from eating meat the more products will be made that dont involve animals , this makes it more easy to live a vegetarian lifestyle for everyone
Its like every pint of milk thats bought your making the dairy industry stronger every pint of soyamilk your making the veggie alternative industry stonger and it doesnt matter who buys the soya

 

I'm afraid I don't think you can class yourself as a 'Strict Vegetarian,' or even a 'Vegetarian.' I have no problems with people who eat meat... their decisions are theirs, and not mine, but Fish and Poultry are animals... and Vegetarians do not eat meat...
I have met people who claim to be Vegetarian before, while still eating Fish, (Never heard of eating Poultry, though) and have seen them jumped on multiple times, while it is a good thing that you are heading towards giving up eating meat, may I suggest that you do not claim that you are a Vegetarian until you do not eat meat at all? As, with all due respect, you are laying yourself open to criticism,

 

http://www.vegsoc.org/fish/index.html

 

It's great to want to rebel and be a rebel but go and do that number with people who care because if you keep being so full on here then you will probably find that people will just disengage from you.
*shrugs*
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No need to be sarcastic about it, yes I do know what a troll is.

I never said that you were old. Now your putting words into my mouth. I aslo dont apreciate all this competition about who's been a vegetarian longer, it's dumb. Im not trying to make things difficult for you, all I originally wanted was to know whether other vegetarians eat meat vlavoured food, you have all turned it into a fight over what a vegetarian is and what it isnt. I think that you too should start thinking about how you are representing yourself, as you are (and all of the other people who have posted on this thread) becoming so agro over one little issue. Its rediculous.

Like you I am here to also offer advice to people who need it but rather than answering my original question you have all turned it into an unnessisary fight. I am not being a brat as I am just defending my own beliefs, just as you are all making your beliefs heard quite clearly. I understand that you do not believe that I am a vegetarian because I eat chicken and fish on occasion, and I believe that I am because I havent eaten red meat for so long. Does it really matter if I am finding my own way to becoming a vegetarian. Seriously you might want to consider that the aggression you all have in your posts here comes from how you feel about your own actions rather than how I live in my own life.

I am not trying to rebel against any one of you, and if it seemed that I was showing any kind of agression it is because I senced that there was agression on the posts before me. Like I said I am expressing my views and opinions on this place just like you are, and obviously we cant agree on this subject just as I'm sure we will not agree on many subjects.

For many posts I have been giving you all the option of just dropping the subject, agreeing to disagree but you have all continued to press the subject.
I am giving you all that option again, just leave me be, and get on with your lives, Im sure you all have much more important things to worry about than bickering over what kind of vegetarian I am.

Your views and opinions are heard here, and I accept and appreciate them very much, but I can see that we are never going to agree on this particular subject, and I am also sorry that you are taking this post as a reflection on my personality poorly, but I'm sure that if you actually got to know me outside of this thread youd see that I was truly and allright person.

 

I'd say that's a good baseline definition, period.
those are our terms.
it's up to you to do the correct thing.[/QUOTE]
And I have been honest with you all drumminmama, to the extent that i can be honest with anybody.

I admit that calling myself a strict vegitarian was off. I guess I didnt phrase it right, I meant that I have been consistant in not eating any red meat products for the past two years, being strict with myself over not eating red meat.

I never thaught that I was considered as being dishonest to you all, I did after all admit that I did eat poultry and seafood, isnt that considered honesty?
I knew of quite a few people like me that eat sea food as well as poultry, and they still consider themselves vegetarians (I say vegetarians meaning all of the different types). I thaught to myself that it would be a great way to becoming one. I was planning on eventually becoming vegan about a year ago, so I quit meat, and dairy all together, just like that, as a result of this I started loosing a bit if weight pretty fast and descided that I had to start eating it again, but I didnt want to go back to eating red meat, so I made the descision that white meat would still be the best for me I didnt see anything wrong with it but it seems that you all do.

I am defending my right to be called a vegetarian because it is what I believe that I am and always have believed myself to be one ever since I gave up red meat. I think that I have done a very good job for myself as I do live with an italian parent and do have italian grandparents where there whole life revolves around food and red meat, so it is difficult when you are being offered food every passing minute you are there to say no, but I still did. It has been a difficult process for me, and I thaught that discussing it on here with other vegetarians would be a good idea, and now I have crashed into intence critisism over what what a vegetarian is and what it isnt. I am defending myself because I am standing up for what I think is right and what I believe in, why is that so wrong to you?

I do not believe in labels, and I try not to label anyone as anything just as they dont label me in return, why label me as anything? I believe that I have every right to be what ever I want to be and if I want to be my own kind of vegetarian thats what I will be.

I am doing the correct thing by standing up for myself in this issue. If you cant accept that then please dont post in my thread. Im sorry if I seem agrovated or if Im being offensive in any way. But you all calling me a lier and such is very offensive to me as I am here to have fun and help others just like you all.

 

btw your signiture says to be your own vision. Thats what I'm doing.

 

hey there nightrose!

Thanks for posting what you did and showing us that you understood a lot of what we were saying. Good luck with your ongoing quest to become vegan, you have certainly taken a step on a long road and I am only partway along that road myself so take care and grab support where you can.
I definitely did not want to go the "how long is my vegetarianism" route but your attitude just got the fire in my belly going for a bit and I figure that as we were in a vego forum it was one place where I could express that sentiment reasonably safely, every day you will have to deal with this sentiment with people and it is nice to be able to go somewhere where your tastes/choices in food are more the norm than not. When someone jumps in proclaiming their rightness in their views that reflect those views in wider society that undermine your beliefs, actions and ability to make change in the world around you there are times when you just want to slap them down. I don't want to slap you down as I figure you are making your own choices and decisions and I think the steps you have taken so far are great and show that you can if you wish take them all the way.

"I've noticed that you get alot of meat flavoured food around (noodles, chips, etc). Ive stayed away from this kind of food because it tastes like the animal, and I've been a strict vegitarian for around three years now. My dad says that I'm being silly in not eating it as it is just a flavouring. Is it silly of me? is it okay to eat it as it's meat "flavoured" food?

I only eat sea food, diary and poultry if this helps."

As to your original post, no, meat flavoured food is not ok if you are vegetarian. It is a bit confusing as many things are actually chemical but as these are quite often derived from meat they are out...they are also just yuck and bad for you if that helps!

 

Thank you stephaniesomewhere,

I really appreciate your support in my quest in becoming vegan
Im really just choosing the best route that suites me.
I hope that the road that you have chosen is working for you, the one that I have chosen seems to be working for me pretty good.

I think i got alot of fire in peoples bellys going this past couple of weeks lol. But touch wood everythings died down by now.

Thank you for not slapping me down for standing up for what I believe in. But I guess it happens everywhere really, people test and question other peoples beliefs because they arent the same as their own type thing. The others were just defending what they thaught was right just as I was. I saw that and tried not to get to fired up with them.

Thank you for replying to my original post. I really appreciate that. I had my suspitions over the meat flavoured food that I have seen in supermarkets and all that, I thuaght they were all chemicals but I didnt want to take my chances, thank you for confirming that they were often derived from meat. I can tell my dad that now .

 

let's say you go to a restaurnat and announce you are veg,such as, to server, "I'm vegetarian, what do you have?"
the server says the dreaded "fish."
and you say OK.
next person really IS veg and does not eat fish, asks the same and says, I'm sorry, I asked if you had anything vegetarian, without animals."
the server, (who took your response to be THE veg response) is understandably perturbed and says, "well, that's what the other vegetarians order."
Second veg gets perturbed and tips crappily.
Server hates veg heads.

This happens even in veg aware areas like the People's Republic of Boulder (home of the Buddhist Naropa University and fairly thick with veg*ans of all stripes).[/QUOTE]
I am on the road to eventually becoming a vegan yes. But at the moment I have chosen that the best thing for me to do at the moment is to continue eating white meat for the time being. If that helps. Of course I cant change who I am just becasue someone says that they think its the right thing to do as I also have to do what I think is the best thing to do for me.

I can see your point in how rediculous it would be to go to a resturant and have something like that happen to you. But the chances of it happening is pretty low, doesnt mean that it wouldnt of course.

I have been to a resturant before where luckily they did serve vegetarian meals. I informed one of the servers/chefs and they said that the best they could do was chicken and veggies. I said that was fine. No drama's, and I also had a few other vegetarians sitting aorund me, a couple of them ordered fish. My point is that because I've seen other vegetarians such as myself eat fish I asumed that there are still a few vegetarains that eat both fish and chicken, thats probably where my confusion began in the first place as well as everyone telling me that it was okay, so it was a bit of a shock when everyone on here was telling me that it wasnt and that I had no right to be here posting as a vegetarian and such.

Thank you.

 

My aunt is someone who doesn't eat red meat, she eats seafood and chicken and she has never called herself a vegetarian, she just says she doesn't eat red meat. She also doesn't eat beef, lamb or pork flavoured foods. (I'm sure i've probably left some red meats out but you get the gist.)

Nightrose, it is great that you are slowly cutting down on your meat consumption, perhaps one day you will be meat free, it can be a long process for some.