if reality isnt real

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by WeeDMaN, Jan 13, 2007.

  1. WeeDMaN

    WeeDMaN a pothead

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    and we're all just a program made by someone and it runs constantly, then where are the bugs/glitches?? and on top of that when the program stops does time freeze for thousands of years, which we dont notice /realize. I dunno Im trippin
     
  2. VolcomStoner420

    VolcomStoner420 Member

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    that kinda shit is crazy to think about
     
  3. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    Where can I get some of that stuff?

    Hey, what if what we call "miracles" are really computer glitches? Or somebody hacking in?

    What if this note is really you telling yourself something that you're pretending you don't already know?

    Whoa, dude...
     
  4. WeeDMaN

    WeeDMaN a pothead

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    hahahahaha, jail must be the recycle bin :p, It jus seems fucked what if every step and breathe we take is already chosen for us?
     
  5. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    Yeah, it's the age-old question of free will vs. determinism. Well, if all our decisions are already set in stone, how would we know? What difference would it make? If we don't actually have free will, we sure have a helluva good illusion of free will. If a system is complex enough (like the universe or a person's brain is), the difficulty of predicting its next incremental state is so difficult that for all practical purposes it's impossible.

    If it's any comfort to you, the best psychic I know of says that the future is not set in stone. Go ahead, believe that. We all need beliefs that comfort us. LOL
     
  6. indian~summer

    indian~summer yo ho & a bottle of yum

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    i reject your reality and substitute my own
     
  7. Emo Bitch

    Emo Bitch Member

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    I think about that all the time...
    that and if im really dead and dont know it..
    thats the last time i watch the others high...
     
  8. WhisperingWoods

    WhisperingWoods too far gone

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    Technically, our subjective realities ARE NOT real. Each is different.. due to perception. That is not to say there is one true reality.. although logic points to one objective reality in existance.

    The psychological perspective of free will vs determinism is basically.. are you a product of your environment/genes/experiences? That is the question.
     
  9. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    Good points, ww. In a sense, subjective reality is the only reality there is. A person classified as "delusional" experiences a reality different from most people's, yet that person's experiences are as "real" to them as ours are to us.

    The issue of what constitutes "objective" reality revolves around assumptions. We assume that other people are points of awareness like ourselves, with similar sensory apparatus. We can construct a list of attributes for objective reality based on comparing our sensory observations with those of other people. This is the fundamental basis of the scientific method. Yet even that kind of observation and comparison doesn't give us a true, direct picture of objective reality. Our reality is still limited to what we actually experience, which includes our extremely limited sensory perceptions and a set of evolving conceptual constructs about the universe, which are in turn limited by the anatomical and biochemical nature of our brains.

    This brings us back to your final question: Are you a product of your environment/genes/experiences? That question is still being debated by people who devote their careers to this kind of analysis.

    Let's just throw a little monkey wrench into this discussion. There are small groups of people who believe themselves capable of experiencing the world in completely different ways than you and I "normally" experience it. These people would say that perception alone determines not only subjective reality, but even objective reality. If you'd like to explore this viewpoint, I recommend a book by Carlos Castaneda called The Power of Silence. You won't get any discussion of this viewpoint in most classrooms.
     
  10. Spirit OF The Forest

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    Maybe we've all got our own realities that splice off and interact with each other... and then all collapse into one... and then splice off again...
     
  11. WeeDMaN

    WeeDMaN a pothead

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    reality gives me the hibby jeebys
     
  12. PlaceboAddikt

    PlaceboAddikt Paranoia!

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    Reality can only be universal in a concrete sense. For example, there is a chair. That's a chair. you sit in it. a chair. i say chair, you think chair. The rest is subjective and unique to each individual. I say "love". you think about your husband or your children or the way jack loved rose in titanic. No definite response to love. you might think about lying in bed with your wife or you might think about the lover that scorned you. and that lover might be thinking about lying in bed with you. The same with anything that isn't concrete.
     
  13. PlaceboAddikt

    PlaceboAddikt Paranoia!

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    I am already wondering what the hell i was saying there.... :&:leaving:
     
  14. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    LOL You've got the idea. The chair is objective reality, the rest is subjective reality. The chair can be measured, weighed, felt, tasted if you like, by multiple people who can compare their observations. The subjective stuff we try to communicate as best we can.

    What I was saying at the end of my last post is sheer craziness, by "normal" assumptions. What I was saying is that some people believe they can change their perceptions so that the chair doesn't exist. Literally. There is no chair, and never was. In this version of reality, you can't see the chair, you can't measure it.
     
  15. WeeDMaN

    WeeDMaN a pothead

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    thats fucked up dude, so people could actually make themselves believe that something doesent exist and it wouldnt 0.o
     
  16. retrow

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    I love this idea. In a way we all interact with each other on basis of compromises. Its like when a colorblind person sees the traffic light on top light up she stops, just like other people who aren't clinically colorblind. Its hard to tell who sees the actual color - but the compromise is that everyone stops for the top light.

    The way I see it, reality is a statistical compromise.
     
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    Hyphy Duke of Earl

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    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    Something like that. I'm just telling you what the guy said in this book I mentioned. It sounded kind of like interdimensional travel. It's not just that the chair would go away, it's more like the whole world would change.
     
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