here is my personal mindfuck

um...that meow language is what im talking about...and your beautiful language?, yea it had to start somewhere.

 

the sense of the joke was : please talk straight and plain , I'm having serious trouble understanding the matter of this thread . maybe i was using code ? who knows ...

 

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i've tested it. it's really hard to believe, but it does work. the code is flawed. my theory is the flaws in the code cause most of the everyday pain, the little shit, that we experience. working outside of the code isn't; it depends on how well the other person accepts it, how deep they are in denial. it seems like kind of a catch 22. but it's not. it just works. you can tell it works because the people involved are in awe of it working when it doesn't make sense that it works. that is just about the coolest thing in the world to experience.

my example is one-size-fits-all, but if it were really happening, it would relate to the individuals specifically. and at the same time, this outside-of-the-code-ness is universal...

it's hard to explain, but this kind of conversation is outside of projections... it's almost like saying the same thing over and over and over, just agreeing with someone about something... except it's constantly growing and changing... it's like two people blowing a gum bubble together. haha it's so hard to describe. like, they say, "let's blow a bubble", so they both know they're blowing a bubble, and that doesn't change, but the bubble itself does...

 

thanx guyx i freakin get it!

i think the game is part of communication evolution, people who speak in code, are they not more adapted? i say this because i started out on this planet not being able to participate in converstions, my family thought i was weird, i got and still do get into trouble for stating the facts, i could never understand why i could'nt talk about artificial crap, like the weather, or my latest holiday, i was always concerned with more serious things, confounded me why people ocupy thier time with nonsensical crap, why they talk about absolute nonsense. this left me slightly socially retarded

i then left for vasity an decided to adapt, wow it worked, somehow without realising it i learnt da art of the 'game' but it was so artificial, makes my skin crawl!

very good example of da game, are girly chics talkin in chic code, for the life of me i cant do it, do guys speak less in code??

thanx, this has seriously enlightened me, just wish more of the people around me talked non-code, feel more would get done!

 

i think though code started just cause it sounded like it was intelligent or funny or something. but then we started to learn what could the code can actually do, and make people think and whateva. but something that some people dont realize, is that with the specific part of the code that im talking about, the code itself can be used to explore our mind. you ever think about that? when you hear people saying they get high off of life what do you think they are actually saying? the code does the same thing as drugs, your just sober. which means nothing!

its crazy, and cops too. they are like code officers. just how they figure if a guy is lying about driving drunk. the guy did EXactly what the cops told him to do and wasnt driving drunk. too bad thats just code and in reality he was. they arrest him. but you know what? what if that law was talking about code? and you are not actually aloud to talk a certain way drunk? wouldnt that be wierd?

but the thing i think is wierd, is like, old people, and little kids, and the insane. it seems to me that these people are considered not "as there" as the average person.
so what do you do? you help them out by tring to get them to learn code. which is basically artificial intelligence. code is just a mirror of something that COULD be already there. and so i think people use this test to figure its flawed. they draw on the mirror. yea, make sense?

but it got me to thinking. what if someone, idk, me a year ago, came along this site and read this and just started freaking out and couldnt comprehend what he was reading....idk if i should keep doing this.

 

Good point, JCP. And you know, the more you tell us about the code, the more confused I get, so you're probably right.


This last post of yours was semi-confusing to me. I half got it and I half didn't. It's been that way since your first post. I'm not saying I still don't understand what the code is, because I do... it's just hard to understand you, do you get what I mean? Maybe it's because you're not talking in code? I'm not even sure if what I'm saying right now is correct, or if I'm just using the code?

 

I've always been real shy, Hyperborean, and I feel pretty socially retarded sometimes too. Do you find it hard to talk on the phone unless you actually have something to talk about?

I can use the code sometimes, but most of the time it takes great effort, and it's really stressful on me. I get really drained after hanging out with my friends and sometimes just end up crying after a full day with them. Weird. And I think girls do use the code more, just because we talk a little more than guys.

 

JCP,


I just read your first and last post in this thread, and I have to say it's uncanny how much this conspiracy theory of yours resembles exactly the kind of conspiracy I was paranoid about 10 years ago. You are onto something, but I suspect it's distorted somewhat... maybe even a lot. You're not completely crazy, but you're going to have to learn how to tell the difference between what's real and what the drugs are telling you.

When I was 20, I started getting really paranoid that people were using what I called a "dual communication system". It was dual because on one level, people were trying to express what it sounded like they were trying to express, but on a hidden level, there was another meaning to what they were expressing, and you had to be prevy to "the system", as I called it, in order to see through to the hidden level. I lost a lot of friends because I started accusing them of "playing the game" with me. At first, I thought it was just shady types of people who used it - like organized criminals, drug dealers, dirty cops, those who lived on the streets, etc. - but ever since I started trying to detect who was "showing the signs" of the dual communication system, more and more people became suspect. It started to appear as though my own family knew about it. My friends too. People I knew from university showed signs. Girls I thought I could trust. Soon I started to wonder how it was even possible for everyone to pick up on "the system" and learn so easily how to navigate within it while I strayed far behind. I always knew I was socially slow, but I took this as a sign that I was really slow.

I've sorted through a lot of these delusions over the years (and, at a certain point, they were real clinical delusions - I started believing that the devil and other demonic forces were responsible... and I was an athiest before this), so based on my experiences, I'd like to encourage you to step back from all this for a while. Don't be too sure of what you're perceiving. Don't come up with interpretations too rashly. I haven't read through the whole thread but I think I'm going to take the time to do so over the weekend. I'll reply with what I think after I do this. If you're going through anything like what I went through, you're going to need some help.

 

Okay, it didn't take me the weekend, just a couple hours or so.

I think prismatism nailed it down when she gave her example:

but then hjaystone also made a good point with

But then prismatism said this:

Now, I don't know if I'm interpreting this correctly, but I what I get out of this is that it really doesn't matter if your interpreting the other persons words correcting. What matters is that you both agree, with some kind of implicit signals, that you're going to talk in code. After that, each one makes up their own interpretation, in which case there's little room for getting confused. I mean, if I said to you:

"blifferbop!"

You might say "What? That doesn't make sense!"... unless you were talking in code, in which case it's completely up to you to make up an interpretation. So you think to yourself in your head:

"Oh, he means 'what am I doing tonight'. Well, I'll give him an answer."

And out loud, you say

"Kaffadaffy!"

Then I tell myself "Oh, he's telling me he had a great weekend." You see! I completely misinterpreted what he said... but it doesn't matter. We'll keep tossing the conversation back and forth, coming up with interpretations, until we have to do something more serious like fix a tire or make dinner.

That's my interpretation anyway.

Of course, words like "blifferbop" and "kaffadaffy" are an extreme example, and in most case, we use real words. Therefore, we don't have to be that creative when interpreting code. It does work to a certain degree because we can get the right interpretation to a certain degree - it all depends on how skilled you are.

Also note that if only one person was cued into the code, they might act like they understand what the other person was saying while the other person might be honestly trying to tell him something. This could result in inadvertant miscommunication (and paranoia).

Anyway, I want to thank a lot of you for showing me how the "dual communication system" can be used for good. Back when I was having my issue, I thought the whole point of the system - the whole point of using dual communication - was to fuck with each other, and to screw each other over. I saw it as something evil. But, what prismatism and others showed me was that it can be use to control the flow of the conversation, and so long as people are good-intentioned, they can guide it in a positive direction (like pancakes and movies being used to express how much one person misses the other).

So JCP, tell me how you're coming along with this. How "paranoid" are you? Are you okay with all this or do you feel like you're on the verge of becoming one of these "insane" people we see on the street?

 

its like two dementional slang....

 

three dementional slang*

 

As many dementions as people. LOL

I just read through this whole thread for the first time. I have been struggling with the issues you're discussing since I was ummm, about your age. I'm now 53, and trying to write a book about some of this stuff. And still struggling to understand a lot of things.

There are so many facets and meta-facets to this issue, it's hard to know where to start. Here are some thoughts that might help clarify some of yours:

The "code" you're talking about was there before you became aware of it. You used it without thinking about it, just like everybody else. You took it for granted and didn't think so much about it. It looks like, in your case (as in mine), the drugs you were doing suddenly made you aware of the "code," and also made you hyper-aware of all your thoughts in general. Facets of your own thoughts that were subconscious before are now in your immediate conscious mind, demanding attention. There are so many of these thoughts, you're getting lost in the maze, trying to sort things out. Your new level of awareness led to other thoughts that had never occurred to you before--like the idea that maybe people are using this code on purpose, and they all know what they're doing and you don't. This kind of thought, by the way, is a sign of of your own struggle with self-confidence--and I'm familiar with it, because it's my struggle as well.

As the Beatles' old song "Strawberry Fields" says: "Living is easy with eyes closed/misunderstanding all you see." Unfortunately, having your eyes opened makes living harder--it makes you more confused at the beginning. The important thing to realize is that IT JUST ISN'T NECESSARY TO UNDERSTAND. LOL The philosophical and psychological and spiritual facets are fascinating, however at any time it is perfectly okay to just slip back into your previous state of half-asleep living and just not think so damn hard about everything you and everybody else says.

MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT THINKING AS HARD ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF AS YOU ARE. THEY ARE NOT CONSCIOUS OF USING THE CODE, AND THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT IT. LOL

The very best thing you can do is to lighten up. There are many, many ways to perceive the world, and at their core, every single one of them is BS. LOL This is the human condition. As the Hindus say, this world is "maya"--illusion. It's a giant game, and we play games within the game. The best thing to do is to laugh. Laugh at the folly of trying to understand, laugh at our own confusion. Being stuck in a human body is the biggest joke in the universe.

Sure, you can spend all the time you want on this puzzle. It's fascinating and amazing. But I advise you to step back now and then and see that it's just another form of BS, much like any other. Sometimes, to function in this social milieu, you need to go back to sleep and take it all for granted, like most people do. You can always come back to dissecting it at your leisure. It might be hard to go back at this point, because the drugs have reset your perception mode to a new position. But I strongly urge you to try this exercise: Try consciously resetting your perception to the state it was in before the drugs. After you get to where you can switch back and forth at will between the two perception set-points, you'll start to see for yourself what I mean about both modes of perception being equally valid, and equally BS. And eventually, when you get more comfortable with yourself and with the condition of living in confusion, you can maybe explore new set-points.

There is so much more to say about this--but I can't say it all here; that's why I'm writing a book. I'll try to be around to talk some more on this thread.

You are all beautiful and fascinating people. Much love to all.

zengizmo

 

Very important point.

I also think I know what you're talking about with different set-points for interpreting reality.

I'd be interested in reading your book when you're done. Would you be so kind as to PM me when it's ready to be purchased?

 

At the rate I'm going, it might be years before I finish the writing, and then there's no guarantee I can find a publisher. However you can buy one of the books that has had a major influence on me: The Power of Silence, by Carlos Castaneda. What I called "set-points" comes directly from Castaneda's writing about an actual part of our energy body he calls the "assemblage point." I strongly recommend this book and others by Castaneda. My book will be very different from his, but his writing has helped me make some sense of my experiences.

 

Well, I joined this place to reply to this post: you guys certainly made me think.

So here are some thoughts.

First of all, regarding the code thing, a lot of the time when it seems as though people aren't saying what they really mean, they are actually aware of this and doing it with good reason.

An obvious example is politicians and spin. But we all tend to do it in everyday life. And when we don't, people are frequently right to be suspicious.

Small talk has its uses. One reason people talk about the weather is obvious: it's something we all have in common, and two people talking are experiencing the same weather at that moment. The other reason people talk about the weather when they're chatting to someone they don't know well is precisely because it's inconsequential. That is its virtue, because it's safe. Talking about the weather is code for "I don't know you very well, so I'm not going to talk about anything of consequence lest it serve as an opportunity for you to dick me around."

Saying what you think can be a bad idea if someone's liable to take offence and has the opportunity to cause you some hassle. It's a bad idea if you don't think they'll get what you're saying. It's a bad idea if it turns out you're wrong about whatever it is you're being forthright about.

Context is everything. If someone were to make some criticism of me, I might value it, or I might take umbrage... it depends. But I wouldn't automatically thank them for talking straight. It depends on whether overall, they value what I'm doing, and are just trying to enhance it in someway, or instead they're ignoring the bulk of what I do and are just trying to find some angle to attack. If they don't want to create the perception of the latter, they had better code it up in lots of soft, fuzzy niceness.

And it's the same with the example above, concerning someone not wanting to actually come out and say how much they missed someone. Problem with making a big deal of it is it can make the other person uncomfortable, because it creates this obligation of reciprocation. Which is why many of us are uncomfortable with overdone displays of affection. Or flattery. Or even borrowing something off someone.

That's an example of people trying to subvert the code, if you like, taking advantage of social norms. Yes, it's true, sometimes people DO conspire to use the code in a conspiracy. It's not always paranoia. But those games aren't usually very sophisticated either. But yeah, most of the time people can't be arsed to conspire in that way, mostly because it isn't worth the effort. Most people aren't fooled: you didn't talk about the weather, you talked about something personal instead, and now their guard's up. Only, they won't tell you: that's too much hassle. Instead, they'll just make some excuse: more code, to defeat the would-be code-breakers.

If you want to know if you're being paranoid or not, you have to get scientific. People get delusional when they ignore disconfirming information, and only look for the confirming. Instead of looking for evidence that seems to support the conspiracy, instead look for evidence to disprove it. Because our imaginations can easily conjure up ever more elaborate constructions to try and make things fit our flawed theses.

Someone seeking evidence to confirm their suspicion that the moon is made of cheese might note that the moon is round - and cheese is often round. It's white, and some cheeses are white. It seems to have dents and holes in it, like some CHEESE!! See?? It all fits!! Only, if you do a test to see if you can prove it wrong, you can disabuse yourself of the notion quite rapidly.

And the same goes for gauging whether someone really means what they're saying, whether we're on the same page. Hard to tell if you don't know someone very well. But if you do, you can see if it fits with everything else you know about them. See if it's consistent. If someone tells me they like football, and I don't know them very well, I may reserve judgement as to whether I can really take it to mean what I think it means. But if I happen to know they've been playing it avidly since childhood, go to every game, and if I can't find any anomalies...

Because, if there ARE some anomalies... who knows, it might really be a conspiracy and it's a cover story, haha...

 

i think the code can be a form of bullshit if abused.

and prellaen, you did a wonderful job analyzing the code.

 

Base instincts man, no one speaks anymore, it's all cloaks and daggers. Don't let it creep you out, just nod and smile, nod and smile, shit. that's what I do, except sometimes I know that they know that I understand there true speak. It's like voices man, I tried this, you should too, see if were talking about the same thing.
Watch people man. like not directly but keep an eye on them, listen to their conversations, like eavesdropping but not maliciusly. and after a while you'll hear all the voices mix, and make eye contact too, that helps, every once in a while, and you'll start to hear it, exactly what there sayin. no suger coatin, no beating around the bush, and when you do start to hear it, look at there mouths, they won't be making the sounds man. For a while I thought I was fucking insane (maybe I am) that like They where all in ma head, but then I realized man, I was translating, mentally. but be careful man, once you start translating, your *self* will pick it up, you'll find yourself speaking it without meaning too, you'll wonder "why didn't I just say this" or you'll start forgetting how to express yourself, a bad road man.

There are those who use this speak, to weave spells binding anothers soul to theirs. I call them daemons, I gave them this title, I think it's wrong, But I also recognize the fact that the power is intoxicating.

They prey on NPC's I think this is pretty self explanatory, or unexplanatory

Then there are the fallen, Those who know, and will suffer a daemon to weave in it's presence.
me, I'll be honest, I am fallen, powerless to stop their weaving, and at times, fell under their enchantments, even in fighting, I was exposed. Theyre like wolves, At times I've been known to indulge in weaving of my own, I find the scent of dead flesh, alluring.

( apologize for both the amount of posts and for some, the language, *I* have a special way with words.)

 

I have a Nemisis
her name is melissa
I call her the devil
we battle, all the time
I'd push her buttons
reel her in
I won,
I loss
her mojo was stronger
but she has taught me
I cant stand her existance
Where would I be without her
I would be hers

***
She pointed to the cities with are their blinding lights and sounds
she said "here is a box of masks, pick one and go into that world"
Just to be safe...I grabbed a few more

 

Constantly retype (delete) retype, sentence by sentence, even in speach

***yet another add-on**
I'd also like to say
I think chix started it, who else could come up with something like it, thinks that all the emo,myspacers,whatnots are just girls who focused on nothing but daemonspeak made it their whole lives, then those emo dude wanted to get chix, so they started using it, thinking it was the way to go, and so it spread like the fucking plague. But the dudes, they couldnt get the chix, cause while there using the daemonspeak chix are just weaving a spell, letting them think it's working, that they're manipulating chix, when in actuality the chix are weaving them in. and what's worse they get dropped. Now at this point some dudes will use the little they learned to trap weaker chix, and some, or most rather are left with a half assed version of the tongue that manifests itself in their "music", dress, and Pale versions of love-for-fornacation. Turning them into nothing but walking Daemon-spawn
TADA SCENE KIDZ
DAMN I"M GOOD!

And that came to me as I was typing. I LUV YOU BRAIN!!!! U so bad
I hope you all read this. cause it's got me fucking high, I'm fuckin gaping ear to ear,
I <3 Realizing shit!!!!!