Disassemble the US government.

I totally agree. If they don't know enough to really care, no change will ever come about. We have to find ways to get normies to realise all of the corruption.

Well of course there would be corruption. But which would you rather take on - your state's government, or the federal government?

 

They will get health insurance alright. They will be forced to buy health insurance, just as they are forced to buy auto insurance. Who actually benefits? The insurance companies that end up with a guarranteed market.

 

Yea the us population has become complacent. This is usually what happens when the majority enjoy the life they have. There is a reason people run here and not away from here. All of the people living in the US whining could easily go to other countries that are more socialist but they don't. I think the reason is they like to bitch and it makes them seem (to themselves) more independent thinking but the reality is you like it here. You like your way of life. Just deal with that.

 

The current system of government relies heavily on voter apathy and divisiveness, coupled with lobbyists and special interest groups allied to big business they slash the cash cows and trample the masses in the process.
So why not organize through the internet to rally the people into forming special interest groups and lobbying towards the real goals of freedom and true democracy? I have noticed the romantic notions sprouting up on posts in the forums of a revolution and all people joining together to fight government and lift the weight of big brother's heavy fist.
But really...if you're old enough to vote then everyone should at the very least push the votes into the right direction. Get involved get educated and realise what candidates can make a difference with the least damage to the cause.
Why not a three prong attack then.
Vote from within, elect the officials who can make a positive impact, our votes supposedly do count.
Civil disobedience...refusal to pay taxes. Ghandi made it work.
Reform the public education systems and give incentives to motivate parents to actually teach their children again.

Is there a poll to gauge how many members and guests are registered voters?
I am registered, and even though I am not a true hippie, I try to do what little I can individually within the system. Get enough like minded individuals together and the minority will become empowered to effect some change.

As far as all the problems and downside effects resulting from non-compliance well, if we bog ourselves down in all of that mire then nothing will be accomplished.

Skip, great post, I hope more people get interested.

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Activate the activists!

 

It does not matter the federal government has access to real wealth and resources. Taxes are nothing. It has the tools to control and counter any movement it considers a threat. The only way I see the federal government vanishing is if the military becomes disobedient and I do not see that happening. America's military as a collective is very reactionary.

All states start out progressive and soon or later become the tools of the elites to use as they wish.


This relates to this thread:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/chile/story/0,13755,1037547,00.html

 

Not real socialism. Socialism is collective ownership of the means of productions for the benefit of all. Most European nations don't fit that definition.

However, there is no doubt Europe is more progressive than America.

 

Just curious. Who do you think really controls this country at the top? Certainly not Bush. Nor Cheney, nor anyone in the Bush administration, who are all puppets simply taking orders from on high. The problem goes beyond government, rather the money system which controls the government. It all boils down to money. Nations are controlled through debt. Keep in mind the Federal Reserve is a private corporation that is "federal" only in name. It is owned by a total of 13 families, and it is these 13 families who run the country from behind the curtain. The Federal Reserve prints worthless fiat currency out of thin air, then charges interest on it. It's these people who control virtually everything, including the two political parties.

 

To:ALL.

ok then.

Rather than get mired in side issues here I am heading back to the beginning.
If the concept is to effect radical change, and one idea is to NOT pay taxes, how does
one convince the general populace to do so? Say 5% of the country doesn't pay taxes, how do you achieve 50% or better? Many workers and home owners would be reluctant to fight the government because of fear. On the individual level the fear of tax liens, foreclosures, garnishment of wages etc etc. On the national level fear of economic collapse and anarchy? What can persuade the mainstream to revolt?
The war is an obvious rallying point.
I guess what I need to know is how we get from point A to point B to galvanize the people into action. That is why I still advocate voting for the best person suited to run my government- city, state, and federal, it is what I can do personally, right now.
Someone show me the way to convince each and every citizen that it is their right to take back this country, and reverse the foul tide threatening to drown our very freedom.

4 years back I refinanced my home to keep the ex under a roof. I signed off on an addendum under the Homeland Security Act, I was told it was nothing but another piece of paper added to the pile.; that it was just for a federal database. I am not a terrorist, and paid it no mind.
Now I realize the government needs no warrant to knock down the door to that house and strip it clean and arrest any inhabitants if necessary, they need no excuse to do so under that act.

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Not if it's disassembled by them. These people are globalists, and part of their own agenda is to bring this country down to its knees in order to merge it into a global-fascist system, which we are already beginning to see emerge. America was created from the very beginning to do what it's doing today. It is simply the temporary vehicle for ushering in the New World Order (Novus Ordo Seclorum). Even the elites have written about it in their own books from many, many years ago, stating that once the US was done serving its purpose in the Middle East, bringing so-called "democracy" to the rest of the world, it would be brought down under its own incurred debt, which we now see beginnnig to happen.

People like Bush and Cheney could not give a damn less about this country, and that's why they were put into power to do what they're doing for their globalist masters.

 

I was 7 in '65.
I vaguely remember the protests and activism first hand. I became wrapped up in my own personal thing as most establishment types are prone to do, it is what the goverment expects of its people.
To not pay taxes right now this minute is not feasible, the timing is not right.
Organize unite and act.
Time is necessary to organize a protest of such magnitude as a national response of dissatisfaction towards the government via tax revolt.
Time is needed to educate and inform the people to bring them together and unite, and which medium(s) are best suited to get that knowledge out there.
Internet, public access TV, radio, rallies and protests etc.
Time to bring together the necessary leaders and activists to form a cohesive voice to be heard and understood, so we can act.
Do we have links with the necessary information to adapt change, writers who can express their words to make people care about more than their everyday existence in their own little worlds?
Which universities are ready to arm the armies with the courage to stand up to the threat of this totalitarian state that has been spoken of?
Give me something concrete to work with and I'll help tear it all down brick by brick.

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You are a fucking idiot.

I hate Bush just as much as the next guy, but I'm not as dumb to go as far as saying the US government is at fault.

We just need repair.

And StartToday who says, "... laws should be put in place to do away with capitalism, which is the root of almost all of our problems."

You, too, are a complete idiot. Capitalism was devised by Adam Smith, who saw the retardation of Europe as feudal and imperial law crushed any ideas of gaining wealth in the peasant class. He devised capitalism because he wanted people to succeed.

You guys are so fucking loony, I don't know where to begin. You are spoiled and don't understand what life would be like without the US Government and economy.

Without the US government, you probably wouldn't be on this forum right now because law prohibited free exchange of dissenting thought.

Without the US economy, you probably wouldn't be on your computer right now because you couldn't get enough money to buy one.

Unless of course you live in Australia, in which case, you guys are on your own.

 

By threatening the banking system, you are cutting your own throat.

First of all, you'd be thrown in jail, because, thank god, the majority of our country isn't full of fiscal dumbasses. (However we are confronted with another problem, THE REPUBLICANS!)

Second of all, as soon as the economy collapses, the government would lower bank loan costs, and you dumb fucks will jump on those loans, thinkin it's free money. That is, if some rivalling country notices that we have no funding for any protection whatsoever, and they kill us all.

DON'T BE AN IDIOT!