Hello everyone, I had a question about Salvia. Quite recently I smoked salvia leafs 10x about 1.5 grams of it between 3 friends and I was the only person to have a true hallucination. Now I read about it before I did it, but my trip was too intense for me to handle. Let me explain what I did, I had a pipe packed it and the most I got out of the first 90% of the time I tried it was random giggles for no reason. I did do this outside towards the middle of the day while sitting in a open car. My friend was trying to get me to really hit it hard so I did and as I tried to exhale my tripple ghost (I didn't let the smoke out of my mouth though), the smoke stayed in my lungs. But as I tried to make smoke come out of my mouth it hit me. I was facing an empty parking lot with my legs sitting outside of the car. It's hard for me to remember what the key things were but I do remember getting a blur kind of like maybe a distored double vision, and I felt as though my life was just flushed away, the people were laughing at me tripping and I remember the laughs echoing, I remember the worst part i'd say is the mind flush with the not knowing what is going on but the part I remember was this amnesia feeling while coming down from my trip. But I couldn't talk because my whole face went numb and apparently I drooled a lot. I really want to give it another chance even though it was so intense for me. Is there anything I did wrong? This was my first hallucination, and I really wasn't expecting it to be so physically/ mentally integrating
Yeah, be careful with salvia. It's not really a recreational drug. It last too short and it can be too intense if you're reckless with it. Do it for the experience. I've been experimenting with salvia for the past week or so and I had one really intense experience like the one you mentioned, and it was very uncomfortable and hard to remember. Since then I've been trying to work my way up to it to see if I can find a comfortable region where I can experience everything it has to offer without tripping out too harshly. I have two threads where I've been documenting my experiences here and here
It changed me, I remember the feeling of not knowing what it's like to have a basic thinking level. I was at my school as soon as the trip stopped I remember I didn't know what to do, I went to a water fountain and it was strange I knew exactly where it was but I didn't know what to think. I really want to give it another try but maybe in lower strength like 5x extracts?
Try chewing base leaf instead of smoking an extract. The experience is less intense, but much more profound.
since you were doing it with goofs you probably do not know how much you took but you went to level 6 amnesia which is too far to enjoy. next time do it with one person you trust. try with smaller amounts and increment to the level you appreciate most people do not like anything higher than level 4 level 5 is ok but really weird and a bit scarey. level 6 is the wipeout. - that is where the goofs sent you.
In researching salvia, I keep coming across this "levels" scheme. What's this all about? Is it something that all salvia user generally agree with? In the second link above, I describe my most intense trip yet. What level would you say this is?
Well keep in mind first we bought .5 grams friday, smoked it all didn't get anything but laughing though. Then bought a gram, I took about 3 hits first but just got the laughing again but I do believe it was because I wasn't hitting it hard enough. I then did that huge ripper and then it hit me. And chewing base leafs wouldn't that create a long trip? Like 3 hours?
chewing is too subtle i don't think you will notice it. go to www.sagewisdom.org to learn about salvia levels
I prefer chewing to smoking, but then again I am a bit hypersensitive to salvia. And yes, the trip is about 3 hours total
My first strong salvia trip was very intese and very uncomfortable. I got amnesia. I don't know what level I hit because I didn't have the hallaucinations I've read from other poples experiences. This is a very powerful plant. The only thing I can compare my experience to is when I took 150 mushrooms in a tea. Just that feeling of not knowing what is real and what isn't- complete craziness in the mind. The diffence being of course that the salvia experience only lastet about 2 minutes so when I came back down it was much easier to digest. I'ts hard to expain but salvia gives me the feeling (I've only experemented alone) of some otherworldy presence- A living force as such- is in the room (or my head) with me and trying to communicate in some way. Although I do find this presence very taunting and intimidating = uncomfortable. Yet my curious nature drives me to experiment- and each time I think -why do I smoke this stuff, I don't really like it- or more- If I don't smoke salvia I wont have to deal with 'you'. Difficult to explain- tried my best. powerful stuff. Not recommended for an easy to obtain alternative to other substances.
ergotoxine, hitting level 6 you get amnesia level 6 is called amnesia you forget everything you saw or most of it. that is where you have been. use less. read up about the levels using a bit less you will hit level 5 which is quite uncomfortable. body sense becomes completely unintelligible - they call it immaterial since materiality is so compromised level 6 all mentation is compromised level 5 all materiality is compromised. the compromise in my opinion is layering. at a few less layers level 4 visionary occurs with OEV and CEV echoes (layers) of thought and body sense, and an apperception of others in the room (imagined entities etc.). (this also happens in level 5) having less than enough for level 4 (level 4 is the target IMO) is just minor effects. oddly people who always take too much and get level 6 often grumble that they only get the level 3 effects, having completely no traces remaining in memory of amazing things they may have seen on their rapid ascent to oblivion.
I get this feeling too. I've smoked salvia probably four or five times since my really intense experience, trying to get ever closer to it, but it's difficult for some reason. I swear I've put more in my pipe than I did that one time, but I can never quite seem to get to that level. I'm going to have to try two hits. In any case, I've learnt a bit about how these entities come into existence as I've explored different levels of this stuff. At the very basic level, there's that feeling of bodily forces tugging at you in various directions. Then you get the high feeling. The main difference I've noticed between a ganj high and a salvia high is that salvia is very much in the environment whereas ganj is in the head. It almost feels like the high is there in the room. Then it starts to adorn a personality of sorts. The high becomes a being that's there in the environment. I sort of get the feeling that it's an extension of myself at first. I mean, it's as if the high is, at first, a part of my mind which gets projected into the environment and sort of separates itself from me to become its own being. But then, it ceases to be me and takes on its own personality. For me, and this is very consistent across every trip I've had, it feels like a woman - an older hippie woman or something like that. While this is going on, the evironment feels more and more distorted. I don't get visual hallucinations, so if I look around the room, everything is in its proper place, but it all just feels distorted and out of place. This distortion has something to do with elements in the environment breaking off and becoming these other people. At higher levels, a second personality always seems to pop into existence - a male figure. I'm thinking that these eventually become my "parents" I thought I had in that one trip. The closest I've come to that trip was I time I remember having a vivid impression that they were there and I could talk to them. In fact, I felt as though the male figure was tugging at my legs - I had a circular pulling sensation in my legs which seemed to want to twirl me around (this was just one of the bodily forces I mentioned at the very basic level), but I had the distinct impression that it was the male figure doing this. I asked him what he wanted to be called? I called him "Steve". The female figure was over by the fridge kind of just sitting there. So far, these experiences have been pleasant, and I feel like I've befriended the entities (although I better not start talking about this too literally... I might end up in an insane assylum ). Since that one really intense time, I haven't gotten to what redgreenvines is calling levels 5 and 6, so it's hard for me to tell whether I would still feel uncomfortable or not. But maybe knowing what to expect now and having befriended the entities, it won't feel that uncomfortable at all. I've also been gathering memories from that really intense trip. I now remember that I would constantly fail to recognize my own surroundings. I'd walk up the stairs and find myself in a house that was not my own. "Where the f**k am I?!?!" I'd wonder. Then I would suddenly recognize that I was still at home. I think it's this failure to recognize familiar things that makes it hard to remember. Think about it. How could you remember seeing what is usually familiar to you but not recognize it? How could you imagine something like that. Therefore, you couldn't remember such an experience. Anyway, I also remember these personalities being more than the two - the man and the woman - but a whole family of sorts. I also remember some of these people being my actually family members (like my brother in law and my sisters). They just come out of the woodwork, so to speak - out of the cracks and crannies of the distortions in my environment. I guess this tells me that there is definitely an aspect of my own mind and memories being projected into the evirnoment here. Having gotten really close to the higher levels, I've gotten some glimpses of how the ordinary reality becomes a completely flipped one. Those distortions in the environment get ever more distorted until something happens whereby reality gets flipped inside-out so to speak, and suddenly you're in a different place. It's almost like a contortionist who twists his limbs and extremities until he locks or snaps them into a new position... except it's not painful... or maybe it and that's why I didn't like it. Anyway, I'm going to try two hits next time... and maybe I'll get drunk to build up courage .
haha i have some great salvia experiences i smoked salvia 60x i got in a bong once with some friends at a party i took two hits QUICKTIME before the first hit got me and i was DONE haha i was lying allover the ground outside on the deck in the rain and then i just went into a world ive come to associate with salvia something that only exists in your mind and is really of your choosing and i felt like i as being dissected and studied and everything was made up of geometric shapes with eyes and it felt like the world was being dissected to me .....yea i dont know...luckily im a very happy person and i have never had any bad experiences (except for the time i od'd on coke) my friends that hit the bong with salvia in it were scared out of their minds cause most of them had never smoked salvia before and they were sitting in the living room on the couch staring at this blank wall and they had their mouths open looking like speds my one friend who is a very big maucho type guy turned to me and tried to say "alexa, im scared" ive never seen him like that before but he later told me he enjoyed it and weve smoked salvia together since i have no problem getting the stuff where i live ive smoked salvia about 10 times and ive had 5x, 10x, 20x, and 60x and the most intense is definetyl the 60 if you cant handle shrooms or any other psychadelics i SERIOUSLY SUGGEST YOU DO NOT TRY SALVIA you will shit your pants... you should start out with at least 5x or you might just be put off salvia for life i have a friend who wont smoke salvia anymore cause the first time she tried we were sitting in my friends garage she took a hit off the pipe with 10x in it and fell in my lap and made a whining noise then she got up ran into the garage door which was halfway up ducked under and took off into the night....it took me 10 minutes to find her cause i was tripping too and i found her lying in a yard with her coat torn off and she was crying she hugged me for 5 minutes straight so really it depends on the person and the situation does any one else find that everytime they smoke salvia the trip gets more intense?? that psychosis shit scares me so bad so i definetly space out my salvia trips
This weekend, I'm giving it another try probably because I cannot remember my trip very much. But were doing 15x, there's going to be about 10-15 people all doing this. I have researched Salvia so much and mentioned tips to so many people who want to try it. I hope I don't get to level 6 again, I plan to take 2 very very large hits and that's it for me. I can probably take a entire bowl per hit, so about 2 bowls. Another question I'm not able to decide, I have a friend who I have tried so hard to get him into any kind of drugs like marijuana but he is to nervous. So I have very little salvia and I'm thinking well both split it. Here's a picture, how could we split this between us lol? I'm thinking he will eat half of it because he cannot smoke for shit, and i'll smoke the remaining.
take a pinch using a tweezer for yourself and smoke. if he wants to smoke let him use the tweezers too. looks like lots of stuff there, you could both go twice. there is not enough stuff for any one to eat there. it will have no oral effect you definitely need 30 times more than smoking for a simmilar effect.
@guy above me we smoked it but the guy who can't smoke for shit wasted alot of it, and I didn't get a real hit so either of us didn't feel anything. me and lots of friends, are buying about 4 grams of 15x for probably 60-80 bucks. Tommorow it's happening, we still haven't found a location about 99% of us are under 18 (16-17) and talked about Hookah baring it but there's probably about 8+ of us. I am going to take 1 large, large hit and see if I feel anything then if not I'll do one more. I so hope I hit level 4 and level 4 only.
ive smoked alot of salvia and have been to almost all the levels ive hit level 5 a good amount of times and would not want to go beyond that. cant stress enough though that salvia is not a recreational drug doing it with more than 2 or 3 people will just make it worse. its the divine sage the sage of the shamans it should be used for spiritual awakening its definately not a party drug
