for people deciding wheither to trip or not....

the answer is yes.
i consider it a highly "beneficial" experience.
you get to see things in a better light. the inner beauty of this world comes out for what it really is. a kingdom. there's a lot of people who have seen earth in this way... many have/do not.
for so long i have been very confused on why my grandmother loves to drive around and just "look" at the view. just simply looking out at all of the green. nothing special... just trees, grass, same old same old....
but now i know.
now i see what we have really been blessed with. the grass is amazing. every single little blade of grass. every tree. the way it sways in the wind, like it's breathing... everything... it's beautiful.
i've seen the beauty of the world.
and hopefully you do too already... you just might be like me, and need a little extra help.

 

the answer is not yes dude. You want people to fuck themselves up? That was about the dumbest logic of all time. let me explain.

you consider something a beneficial experience, therefore naturally you want others to benefit from it. Let's say this experience was drinking scalding hot coffee. By drinking the coffee you learned that you shouldn't drink things without knowing how hot they are. What revalation! You should go out and "teach" everyone what you learned through experience right? WRONG.

Acid is a personal choice. You have to make the best decision. Make sure you are comfortable, safe, and sound. Bad trips are a reality and everyone does not need acid.


(note: I'm fond of acid, but I'm not gonna give it to people who don't need it. No one wants things that they themselves don't want)

 

I have seen the beauty of god in a blade of grass and a waterdrop .... and seen the ugliness of our world in a piece of paper.

Some people can't handle the other side of the coin, and nobody knows on which side it will land.

 

depends on the mindsettttt... u cant just tell people its the right choice u dont know the ins and outs of their subconscious do you...fair enough your trip may have been great but that isnt what happens to anyone...lovexxx

 

Try to run, try to hide -- but he's right. Everyone should have at least one powerful psychedelic experience in their lifetime. So break on through to the other side.

As I see it, everyone is smart, but most are blissfully ignorant because of their GREAT country that rapes the world, hence the reason its powerful. Everything is ass backwards in this country.

People need to stop teaching kids DARE it just makes them want to do drugs by putting the idea in their head. Instead, teach them about how psychedelics are the reason they are able to learn. Without the help of psychedelics I theorize we'd be nothing more than animals, in our case Chimpanzee's (99% of our DNA is the same as the Chimpanzee).

Think about it. Everytime you do a psychadelic you become more AWARE of reality afterwards. Mind Expansion. That is the reason they are illegal. Look at alcohol (ethanol), it kills over 100,000 people a year, makes them dumb and ignorant and is still illegal because the people who MADE IT LEGAL in the first place were greedy and ignorant.

Now look at psychadelics. They've killed a handful of people (LSD) directly, but to overdose on LSD you'd have to be insane or a fool or both. Sure they make some people go insane but doesnt LSD treat schizophrenia? and either way, the toll of people who've gone insane would have to be less than 100,000 a year lol.

how will people "fuck themselves up" any more on psychadelics than they've fucked up the planet and themselves already. it makes me sick how easily people beleive government propaganda, in the 60's and 70's acid was widespread and look what happened, the people expanded their minds and awareness about what was going on around them by taking psychedelics, social upheavel followed. the beginnings of a revolution, yet a peaceful one, people had strong newfound convictions and wanted to make a change for the better, but people are afraid of the unknown.

People need to be told the truth about acid for one, thats why they dont want to try it

but they should also be warned that it can make you go temporarily insane if taken enough. and that it lasts for fucking ever if you take enough

too baked, just got off work, hoping wut i wrote is positive and helps expand at least one souls mind.

 

i understand what your saying man but thing is some people are far too caught in this world controlled by their governments...when taken outside this little world of theirs some may not be able to handle it and rather then gaining an insight into their lives they will end up another person terrified of acid ( or other psychs ). i just thought the op's statement was making too much of a generalisation...x

 

Umm... everyone does not need a psychedelic experience. Lots of people can't handle it. Period.

 

I'd have to say that virtually all the bad trips from psychedelics are from irresponsible use, uneducated and/or from lack of guidance into the experience. Many people take psychedelics without any real knowledge of what their about. Cultures with embedded psychedelic usage from pre-history until the present, show that bad trips almost never happen to them and if does, they know how to work through it, into a positive healing experience. A main component of psychedelic usage, in those traditions, is for healing. In some of these cultures, all members partake, including small children. From studies done on them, no negative effects for it were found.

 

A lot of you guys are really closed-minded about this. You are so open minded to drug use that you don't see the bad side of it. You guys do know that lots of people actually do flip out from acid, right? Some people just can't lose control like that, they can't lose control of their thoughts and minds without freaking. I know plenty of people who would hate tripping, no matter how much research they did. Please cut the crap about how all bad experiences are due to misuse, etc. I mean sure, most people can survive a bad trip and end up ok in the end, but not everyone is going to benefit from this stuff. Aldous Huxley himself thought that psychedelics should only be available to the intellectual elite because only they were capable of handling the experience and getting something out of it. I'm not saying I agree with that (although I might), but tripping is a very bad idea for many people. Tripping rocks your world, takes you way out of your comfort zone, shows you sides of yourself that a lot of people aren't ready to see... you can relive memories with unbelievable realism, etc. etc. If you don't understand that some people aren't ready for this, then you just don't have a clue about the range of people out there. Sure, a lot of the people who post here can handle it, because we like the idea of mind expansion and all of that, but we are not representative of all humanity folks. Citingd that Mexican shamans never had bad trips (for starters, how the fuck would you even pretend to know that) as a reason for others to trip is just ridiculous. Shamans are HOLY MEN who believe what they are doing is sacred, so obviously it's going to be far less likely they will have a bad trip, because their mindset is so incredibly different from what, say, my dad's would be if he were to trip. And by the way, he would flip his shit, I know it. Leary and all of those guys blinded themselves to the negative aspects of psychedelics, and the sooner you realize this the better, because it seems like several of you have a really one-sided take on things. I mean meatwagon, you were stoned when you posted, so you get a little leeway, but I have seen you discuss at length your horrible HPPD, and you then sit here and say everyone needs to trip? I'm glad you don't regret tripping, and I'm glad you learned something from it. A lot of what you say, such as tripping being no more dangerous than simply living in the US under our oppressive gov't, doesn't make any sense, so I won't even bother to pick it a part, but geez.

 

listen to this guy

 

I'm biased on both sides of the coin... there are certainly people who wouldn't be able to handle a trip, but strangely, I think they might learn a few things from a bad acid trip... it's usually an educational and/or humbling experience when someone does have a bad one, and a beautiful, life-affirming one when they do. Though I think the problem is, it's hard for people to be sure they can have a good trip and be safe their first time unless they have a good set setting a guide.

I think everyone should be a project for someone... but it's difficult to say who and how. We do need more widespread psychedelic use to counter what we're doing to people these days... I mean think about it... every time an elementary school bell rings in china, more children change classes than there are people in the united states, and we're feeding our kids a diet of sponge bob and ritalin to stupify them into being boring, incapable fast food employees... I think we need to encourage exploring the individual more and sometimes, it might take a psychedelic to snap people out of their reality, even if it is harshly, so they can start to wake up to a few things.

Though, it's really tough to say... I think everyone should try, but I certainly don't want to be the one to take on the project of the people who can't handle it... I've been in a situation with a kid who was having a bad trip on DOC, and I ended up having to talk to a cop loaded on DOC and 2c-i... fortunately, I can handle my drugs well enough to sound and look sober (assuming have my sunglasses, of course )

 

WOW !!! why such attack ??? all the original post said was "for people deciding whether to trip or not" as in someone that is already thinking about it !!! and if that someone is on this web forum and has access to all the top information of this site, then why is his statement wrong ? Myself as an example. I recently posted about how i had only had "bad trips" about 8 of 9 were more bad then good. Guess what though.... each time they got a little bit better, with research, advise from people like some on this site, and the getting used to of the intensity. I am perfect proof that a bad trip is by no means a reason to not use psychedelics !!!!!!! Its an extreme, painful, terrifying experience but isnt it painful to fall skateboarding, get alcohol poisoning, get in a car wreck, etc... YES !!! all painful... all beneficial !! there are two general outcomes of a bad trip in my experience: one-the person quits taking drugs like pain pills, cough syrup, cocaine, and psychedelics because of the fear, two-the person sits and ponders about the visions, pains and overwhelming thoughts for the next little while and decides that maybe life means something.... maybe all the bullshit religions around here have a better purpose.... then decides to pursue psychedelics respecting them and giving up on other psychoactives that are a complete waste of time. YES !!!! now we have one more on our side... one more expanded concious... one more enlightened, loving, and loyal soul to just maybe, just possibly help someone or even everyone in a big way. For all the damage psychedelics could ever cause they will still benefit more often then not... whether someone can only handle a little mdma or full doses of datura, only experience will tell... and with our help and information people can learn to do these things a bit slower and safer. Psychedelics by all means are NOT FOR EVERYONE but who are we to say who can and cant try them.... what we should be saying is "hey man, maybe dont eat an 1/8 of those shrooms yet, just try one gram and see how you like it" or "look, this LSD is all about going out of your mind, losing control, and learning... sure your read ?" or "DONT FUCK WITH DATURA" haha this all my opinion of course, but i just could never tell someone to not at least try a little psychedelics... I WOULD BE LIEING