hate weed

i dont think he was looking for agreements, i think he jsut wanted to get it off his chest or something

 

Yeah I have a friend that smokes grass just to 'get fucked up' and I don't understand why. It doesn't make me feel fucked up at all. Alcohol on the other hand...

And whats more appropriate on a hippy website than speaking your mind? That is something that should be respected and encouraged, regardless of whether the opinion is popular not. Makes for good discussion anyway.

 

Hey everyone!
My name is Ashley and I'm new to this hip forum. I was passing by and saw a thread that said I hate Pot! I was like what the fuck...who can hate pot. I do understand that people are in titled to their own opinion. Hey, if you don't want to smoke...then that leaves more for me and people who do.

I wanted to put in my insight about what I thought about pot. I agree that alcohol fucks you up more then pot. If you think about it....You can drink to much alcohol and die from an alcohol poison...if you smoke to much pot you get sleepy and passout and wake up with the munches. About pot being natural...well, it is the truth to one point. All other drugs are man made...pot isn't. Yes,coke is made from a plant...but see it fucked with. People messed with it to make it that. Pot...you grow it and smoke it..thats all.

About being addicted to pot. Well, I think you can be addicted to it mentally and physically. Basically...if you think about it all the time.... Obsessed over it all the time...freak out when you stash is running low...always worry how you are going to find more. Then you are addicted one way or another.

Weed can fuck up your life if you are stupid about it. But people can be stupid about anything and fuck up their lives.

Well, thats all the time I have for right now. I'll will be back to talk about it somemore. But for now...I have to go to work so I have money to by my next stash.

Peace,
~Ashley~

 

.......Word! I agree with you wakenbake420...

 

shit uzzez frum ass orifecez, only.


assholez have no hair

 

It can be addictive mentally yes, but its physically not.... phyiscally means you go through actual withdrawal, not only do you crave it but you lose sleep, you get sick, its not just in your head, you diddn't mention any reason why you think its physically addictive...

 

Chronic users are prone to show withdrawal symptoms after not using it.

There was a study done by an independant researcher. Most of the symptoms were agressiveness, anxiety, and loss of sleep. All the people that exhibiting withdrawal symptoms usually smoked 7 joints a day, and had been for 15+ years.

 

so someone explain to me the difference between mental and physical. the borders are nonexistant.

 

a physical addiction is where your body needs the chemicals. its where your brain changes its chemical balancing to account for the drug, and so when you stop the drug, your brains chemicals are all wrong caus they expect teh drug.


pyschological is jsut where your mind wants the drug, and when you dont get it, your mind is different.

some could go to say that since the mind is the function of the brain, then anything psychological is physical as well, but since the brain function is in many ways seperate form teh rest of the body, its medically a different thing.

a person with a physical addiction can want to stop, but have toruble because their body starts trating them like a bbitch. even if you have all teh will power in teh world, sometiems the pain of withdrawal is too much.
a person with a psychological addiction may want to quit at one point, but then give in to teh urge. if you have the will power, you can overcome a pyshcological addiction easily, but its hard because weed is so good.

so yeh thats the jist of it i thknk

 

how is the brain function separate from the rest of the body? Where and how does the pain of withdrawal manifest itself?

 

first, can we establish whether you dont understand, and are trying to work it out, or if you are disputing its different and are refuting that they are seperate entities? (it would change the focus of the explination, and the amount of assumed understanding)

 

well last year I did my thesis on pain, and I started out calling it The Two Sides of Pain: Psychological and Physical. I spent a year working on this and during that time I discovered that there are no boundaries; only the stimuli are different. Later on in my research I came across a woman named Marni Jackson (phd, md.), who had written a book about pain, being a pain specialist herself. She mentioned/confirmed what I just stated.
So yup I'm disputin and refutin

 

but you cant treat psychological pain with genreal anesthetics like you can with phsycial pain?

 

Hey fellow pot heads,
I agree with stonerbill! I too did a paper on weed and the brain for my drug counseling for my abnormal psychology class. I found the same thing that stonerbill was talking about..but if you are a chronic user you don't have to just be doing it for 15+ years....You can still fill physical withdraws even if you've only been doing it for 6months....BUT you do have to be smoking a GREAT amount a day to do so.....the signs were aggressiveness, anxiety, and loss of sleep, and I also found out that you get a loss of appetite.
The thing is that most people who are addicted to things are usually addicted physically and mentally. Thats what people don't understand....It maybe be easier for you to get over one...but when you have both that battle back and forth.

Oh about... you cant treat psychological pain with general anesthetics like you can with physical pain? You can't treat psychological pain with anesthetics but they do treat it with meds. To straighten out your chemicals in your brain.

 

In a way, yes you can. Indirectly but effectively. Say you have a foot problem and everywhere you walk it just hurts all the time. Standing, walking, even when you're sitting. Chronic pain effects people mentally, and surprisingly often leads to mental sicknesses, typically depression. Of course other factors add up as well, making that a more plausible occurance. If anesthetics could solve the foot problem, then the person's life becomes easier to cope with, brighter and they no long have mental pain. This is kind of a ridiculous analogy, but you see my point?
Anyway, I don't see yours :& why do you ask?

 

Alcoholism is a frequent thing to happen in todays society, whereas people can't even prove that pot is addictive or not. In my opinion, it's not except for mentally, but at that point you're only battling yourself.

 

if you have an economy problem, and you fix the root of the problem, generally it fixes other problmes too.

but theyre still completely different problems. you cant say that by indirectly healing mental pain by healing physical pain, that you can solve mental pain with anasthetics. my point was that tehres a clear difference between mental and physical pain, that mental pain is different, seeing as its not pain at all, its an emotion that is unpleasant. pain is an actual feeling, a body function that works with different parts of the brain to psychological pain. senses are different to emotions, once can effect the other, they are still independant. as with my analogy at the start.

 

You do make a valid argument, but have you ever had depression? What we're debating is not simply between the two of us, a lot of people are asking these questions. Do you know what fibromyalgia is? (for anyone who doesn't, it is like a migraine, but of the whole body, not just the head). If you've never had a migraine then this doesn't help you.... but anyway it hurts to think, to breathe, to move. So anyway a woman had fibromyalgia and at another time depression, and she said she would take fibromyalgia over depression anyday. Now I'm not trying to tell you a bunch of silly stories about pessimistic complaining people... but I'm arguing that emotions are not just unpleasant, in fact they can easily be more painful than what you refer to as 'physical pain.' I don't attempt to put a value on your pain in comparison to mine, because thats simply impossible right now, but I have experienced a migraine that lasted four days, and I have been diagnosed with depression, and I would certainly take a migraine over depression. I felt like the whole inside of my head was bruised, I was always feeling heavy and sick. Emotions affect us physically.

 

Yes but you said that phsychological pain and physical pain work with the same principles and thats waht i was disputing.


ive never had a migraine but i have had very unstable emotions in the past. ive not compared them though. at the moment it hurts whenever i move my arms (too much exersice, not enough cooling and stretching) and i jsut want that to go away. ive been very very angry today. maybe its jsut my anger.

who cares about my arms anyawy, im sure they do affect eachother, but thats now waht we were disputing

 

well yes and no. I didn't say they work with the same principles. I was saying that there is no boundary between them. I have devised a spectrum to identify different types of pain, and as I remember it goes something like this:
The basis and stimuli of these kinds of pain are physical in origin:

Damage Control Pain-(a teacher)
Distortion/Illness Pain
Injury Pain
Phantom Pain

The Basis and Stimuli of these kinds of pain are psychological in origin:
Grief Pain-(Good Pain)
Anxiety Pain
Stress Pain
Depression Pain

ALL of this is felt in the body. The only difference is the stimuli.
Want me to elaborate? I think I've got about 15 pages on this stuff :&
Physically and psychologically, they don't work on the same principles. ALL of them work on different principles. Take phantom pain. It occurs when a nerves are severed. ie someone gets their arm amputated at the shoulder. The nerve endings are damaged; they start sending bogus signals to the brain (this is a fact). I got another analogy for ya. There's a man who has his left arm taken off in a motorcycle accident. He starts getting a funny tingling in that arm, as if its still attached. Sometimes he reaches to open cupboards with it, but there is nothing there (a very strange feeling I would imagine). Anyway one day he felt his left fist starting to clench. It was clenching as hard as it could and his fingernails were digging into his palm, and it hurt excruciatingly. Of course this is all in his mind. He went to a pain specialist who made a special 'medicine' for this problem that is physical in origin. He made a device that had a mirror, so if the man stuck his right arm into the box, he saw his left arm as well, and it looked like his real arm. The man was instructed to clench his right fist like the left one, then slowly unclench his right hand. He saw his 'left arm' do so, and so the phantom arm unclenched and he's fine now. True story.
So what I'm saying is the principals of healing are psychological and physical and it really depends on the situation, not just the pain.