What cleansing products do you use?

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by fountains of nay, Feb 21, 2007.

  1. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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  2. Roffa

    Roffa Senior Member

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    what is this "cleansing" that you speak of?
     
  3. razy

    razy Fazed and Contused

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    SLES - that wouldn't be Suse Linux Enterprise Server you're talking about would it?

    Yes, I am a geek.
     
  4. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    Morelike Sodium Laureth Sulphate
     
  5. bokonon

    bokonon Senior Member

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    It's probably one of my biggest buttons, the crap that's put in our cleansing products. I can't believe how long a list of ingredients something like soap needs. I've managed to cut out a fair bit of said crap. Those simple soaps and whatnot. The deoderant I use these days has only one ingredient! (Some salt from Thailand :))
     
  6. Peace-Phoenix

    Peace-Phoenix Senior Member

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    I'm sceptical about this. The article says the health effects are well documented, but presents little independent evidence. I have heard these rumours before, and though they may be more than urban legend, I think they're largely unsubstantiated by credible research. The same goes for the effects of fluoride and aspartame. Very big causes for the healthy living groups, but trading on very little evidence. That's not to say that these things aren't bad for you, just that given the lack of evidence on both sides it's difficult to come to any firm conclusion....
     
  7. Roffa

    Roffa Senior Member

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    I use Kingfisher toothpaste and some Greek soap made from olive oil, can't recall the brand name just now. I have to say I pick fluorided or fluoride-free toothpaste pretty much at random, as P-P says I've never seen conclusive evidence that it's harmful and I think any such evidence would be common knowledge by now.
     
  8. Peace-Phoenix

    Peace-Phoenix Senior Member

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    Fluoride does wonders for your teeth, really helps us shake off our national image amongst the Yanks. There is evidence that excessive consumption of fluoride can produce fluorosis, which damages teeth and gums I think. But the claims that it is a carcinogen are as yet unproven. I'm not in favour of the fluoridation of water, that may involve excessive consumption of the chemical, but in toothpaste, where very little is swallowed and the parts are minute, I can't see much harm as yet....
     
  9. island dweller

    island dweller I Love Wind

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    ha they already do add it to the drinking supply!
     
  10. Quoth the Raven

    Quoth the Raven RaveIan

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    Therefore I'd assume that Peace-phoenix is against flouridation of water. As am I - water should be H2O, nothing else (except for spring water of course, but it'd be hideously expensive to have it on tap).
     
  11. Peace-Phoenix

    Peace-Phoenix Senior Member

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    In some areas they do, but in Britain most areas are still non-fluoridated. The main areas of fluoridation are the midlands and the north-east. About 10% of the population drink fluoridated water. We here in East Angular, are as yet unaffected....
     
  12. island dweller

    island dweller I Love Wind

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    I'm not being funny, but i think i read that somewhere, in the north-east where poverty was more common in the 1960's or thereabouts, fluoride was added to combat children's lack of minerals and their common affliction of tooth decay.

    East Anglia escaped it (as did other rural regions), because of it's non-industrious history because we live in the middle of farmland which historically speaking has always been a more healthy way of life than in industrious cities like manchester and other factory powered cities of the north.

    saw a documentary on it! :D Aren't I clever.
     
  13. Egg But No Bacon

    Egg But No Bacon Member

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    havana club 3 anos
     
  14. Peace-Phoenix

    Peace-Phoenix Senior Member

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    You might be right, I don't know the history of why they've fluoridated some areas and not others, but they are pushing to expand it and with very little public dialogue on the matter....
     
  15. island dweller

    island dweller I Love Wind

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    It's because the goverment are worried that children especially are not getting the right minerals and looking after their teeth. Especially as the number of families living below the poverty line is ever increasing, so by fluoridation they are trying to ease the strain on NHS dentists and general heathcare etc... well its my theory anyway. With the state of the NHS, i personally favour such ingenius practices, if they could some of the vitamins u need in there as well, then people would be healthier without any effort.

    Just drink a pint of water a day and the target of 5 fruit and veg a day would be easier. Parents wouldn't have to worry about making a fussy 5 year old eat spinach.

    The amount of fluoride is not going to be excessive, but beware if you're a fan of drinking several pints of water before u go to bed to prevent a hangover after a drinking binge!
     
  16. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    I usually drink several litres a day, I don't like the idea of not having a choice about taking in fluoride, when too much of it can be harmful:confused: By all means provide supplements to those who want them, but I don't like the idea of this being forced on me whether I want / need it or not...
     
  17. island dweller

    island dweller I Love Wind

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    *THIS IS WHERE I ARGUE WITH MYSELF*

    I think i'd probably have a moral problem with it , not saying its a bad idea in principal (reason below), but i agree that the lack of choice would make it morally unethical. I drink about 2-3 litres a day, but i tend to drink bottled water anyway because we live in a hard water area so the water tastes a bit metallic.

    My only counter argument is:

    if people aren't willing to make a conscious effort, (such has been the case with obesity, smoking and especially food in schools where people have been pushing chocolate through school gates) then any passive practice such adding things to the water supply would in my eyes mean that everyone could be provided for and generally try to ensure that people have at least the basic nutrients daily.


    I have to say i'm undecided, i must admit fluoride is probably the least thing to be worried about, when so many other things are added to our foods and other products. However if any action is taken to introduce it to our drinking supply it would have to be scientifically assessed for its effectiveness and be an option not a blanket enforcement.
     
  18. Peace-Phoenix

    Peace-Phoenix Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sure the number of families living below the poverty line is not ever increasing, they're just not decreasing sufficiently to meet government targets. There is the issue of whether or not people should be medicated without consent. In terms of life threatening diseases, where large numbers of individuals refusing vaccination may cause the disease to be re-established in the population and thus affect the health of others, I'd say such vaccinations should be compulsory. In terms of fluoride, where all that is at stake is the individual's teeth, I'm dead against medication without consent. People get enough fluoride through their toothepaste and if they don't, they've no one to blame but themselves. The effects of fluorosis are well observed through excessive consumption, and this is evidence enough for me to oppose the fluoridation of water even if fluoride cannot be seen to be linked to cancers - the jury's out on that one....
     
  19. island dweller

    island dweller I Love Wind

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    I don't really know, its just my opinion that for the sacrifice of a little human rights (such as the fluoridisation of drinking water without consent) people can be passively helped ok i agree that fluoride is not an important thing, i know we have toothpaste BUT....
    IT COULD LEAD TO MORE IMPORTANT THINGS:
    Take salt intake for example, instead of the government advising manufacturers to cut it down, just pass a law stating how much can be in certain foods, same as fat, sugar, especially in children's foods. a little of something is a good thing, but too much as we all know is bad for us.

    nuff said.
     
  20. ZeroGrrl

    ZeroGrrl Member

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    I'm blissfully happy with my skincare regime; approaching 30, without a wrinkle or crows eye in sight ;)

    It goes: Clearasil cleansing pads, cool water, Olay beauty fluid.

    I haven't used soap on my face since I was about 12.....horrid, pore clogging shite.
     

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