They Found Jesus' Body!!!

Sorry to bust in on you, but theres apparently a lot of contradictory evidence.

And they've known about this since like 1990, and havent said anything. That's another clue that something is wrong.

Besides, finding a dead body is nothing. Religion is still all crap and stupid beliefs, no matter how many corpses they can dig up.

 

i dont think they really did. it sounds like someting i hardcore christian made up. but.. if its true... its pretty much going to prove history... thats scary

 

LOVE

 

"Who said Jesus himself ever faked anything? I have respect for him as an enlightened man. He was crucified and he died. Period. Who said he didn't die? All they had to do was hide the body. Which they did."

Well, Skip with ALL the people who were gunning for Christians at the time and to some extent still today...Do you honestly think this could've been kept a secret for this long? I HIGHLY doubt it.

It's laughable. My favorite line like I said before is, "We have DNA evidence!" Compared to what? How many people with that bloodline do we know are walking around today? Exactly.

They've had 100s of similar arguments about Jesus being here or there. They've all been about as credible as this has been...Not very.

Take into account the fact that it was originally found in the 90s. Nobody said anything on a major level until. Hello...WE'VE FOUND THE BODY OF WHO THE XTIANS CALL MESSIAH. LET'S KEEP IT A SECRET?!? Man, please. So, many people would be tripping each other to try to get a hold of that it would be sick.

The whole thing is about as believable as a Benny Hinn healing. There took a poke at an unrighteous brother.

 

The story goes that Buddha was born magically from his mother side fully able to walk and talk. Does any sane Buddhist actually BELIEVE this happened? No fuckin way! It's just a fable. How these monotheists are so gullible to believe their fables are anything more than fairytales is beyond comprehension and friggin hilarious.

 

People here have to understand that even if your not a Christian (meaning you dont believe Jesus was Christ),
Even still,
You have to try and make sense of things within some bounds of reasonable deduction.
In this case;
You have a huge problem explaining how Jesus could have gone on to be married, have a child, move to Jerusalem where his family became reasonably wealth enough to then create a rather impressive family tomb.
All of which would be public knowledge or certainly something easily found out at the time.
Ok,
Now whether or not you believe the Gospel accounts or not doesnt even matter so much as the fact they existed and a helluva lot of people started a movement called "Christianity' and believed Jesus Ascended.
See this?

To put this into a scenario - you take these Gospels flying around 100AD claiming that Roman Soldiers let a body go missing.
Further more alot of people believe it and are starting a religion out of it.
No way.
Romans would have just frickking squashed that rumour if it was something as easy as either providing Jesus to the public or showing everyone his Family Tomb.
In fact,
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Jesus was NOT popular with a whole lot of people and there was no shortage of people all too happy to expose him and end that Christianity business.

So what happens is that you have to develop a far far more unlikely and downright bizarre series of explanations in order to buy that Jesus was buried along with his family.

Muslim antichristian apologists have at least 'thought this through' in that they suggest the best explanation would be Jesus was hidden somewhere.
For reasons stated above.

This is also explaining to you why non-christian archeologists and historians are basically calling this thing bullshit.
It really makes for a much more outrageous theory even if it was based on better evidence.

Personally, with all the hoaxes going on right now (its a real problem out there) I have been actually wondering when someone wouldnt make a 'Jesus bones' find again.
Now,
If you think about this for a moment - its really bad for everyone including Christians or you AntiChristians.
Because;
It becomes the 'boy who cried wolf' and now when we may find REAL good quality discoveries... people will just shrug it off as yet another hoax.
Real discoveries might get lost among the fakes.
Thats a total tragedy!

 

Finally Christ our lord and savior has been resurrected after 2000 years


We should all treat this day with joy, happiness, and reverence, not with doubt and skepticism, because he was buried alongside his presumed wife and children, burying the myth of his ascendancy.


Hotwater

 

Long before the organized church existed, we had hundreds of copies of the various Books that make up the Bible we have today. These Books are now called the Majority Text. If you observe any of these copies you will discover that no changes have been made to any of them. The idea that the Bible has been modified by the modern church is myth that non believers really want to hang their hat on.

 

There's already speculation that his remains will be wrapped in the shroud of Turin, which some ardent, steadfast followers have concluded is an earlier (undocumented) artifact recovered from the tomb.

Hotwater

 

This gets back to the idea of a conspiracy theory become a million time less likely than taking things as they present themselves.

Probably the first thing Id say to antichristians like Skip who believe in conspiracy theories is:
Welcome to 2007.
Never mind that.. welcome to the 19th Century.

The 'downside' of this end of history has been that we are so far away from the original events.
The huge huge upside is that the wonderful world of Archeology, population explosions and technology has us going back full circle.

Discovery after discovery being unearthed and we are building such a fantastic library of the Gospels and Epistles its effectively eliminating anymore questions you can make now.

This new reality makes books like 'The Davinci Code' laughable in 2007 when we just know and have far too much knowledge and artifacts, texts and as Campbell pointed out - we do not even need to have the textus vaticanus anymore.

Dead Sea Scrolls alone took care of any question about the Old Testament.
The same one you buy today is exactly the same as the Old testament of 2,000 years ago.

New Testament: Of course we have had complete Bibles from around 4-500 AD.
That means we can take any Bible in the last 1,500 years and compare it to make sure its the same.
Ahhhhhh..... but what about this conspiracy theory that liars and hoaxers made up stories and rewrote things between 60AD and 350AD?
You cant prove they did 'not' do such a thing right?
Wrong.
We have complete or nearly complete books that are from wayyyy before that.
Gospel of John from 125AD and guess what... its the exact same book as the one from 400 AD.
Even before that we have individual pages of books or 'fragments' of Gospels that are dated right down to the time of the Apostles.

I dont think people even realise that we have so many good copies of writing done by early church fathers.
In these writings (some of these date right back to the 1st century) the commentators quote NT verses.
Now,
There are so many of these quotes from so many different early Christians that we could practically compile them into a fully complete New Testament just on those alone.

Theres alot more to this type of field including finding documents from vastly separated regions (example Coptic Churches in Eqypt) and further implications by discovering practices and beliefs etc.
(example; a Church from 200AD where Jesus is called 'God' tells you they had that belief from somewhere BEFORE then)

Anyways,
Sorry but these made-up stories about evil monks and hoaxers rewriting a fake Gospel about Gods Love ... no, sorry.
You could have gotten away with that 400 years ago when we didnt have hard evidence.
Not in 2007 though.

 

LOL Hug my kids? James Cameron is trying to revive his career by cashing in on the DaVinci Code wave and people are making a big noise over nothing. All kidding aside...I think I liked it better when I was being called a Bush supporter. It was SOMEWHAT challenging. This is laughable.

 

When you are a non Christian and have no hope, any story will do.

 

It's like everytime they think they have found the missing link, they bring out the big brass band. Hopeless people will grab for anything. And then they will turn around and call Christians blind faith believers. It's really kind of funny. The Jews did everything they could do to bury Christ, and now they are doing everything they can do to dig Him up. If Mr.Cameron really wants to see the physical Christ, he better keep his eyes on that Eastern Sky.

 

The fact of the matter is that the Gospels are without a doubt one of histories most reliable, researchable and verifiable documents.
Read that again.
One of histories most researched, validated, verifiable, cross-checkable, investigatable.... you name it.

I can tell you if even a tenth of this existed for any other comparable historical figures it would be considered a GOLDMINE.

and yet...

The problem is that the one thing that 'cannot be true' is that Jesus was indeed who he said he was.
He is a sword.
He walked right into history and drew a line in the sand.
Its HORRIBLE to those who simply cannot and will not and will never be able to accept that line.

So
*therefore*
They will be willing to make up fake stories about Jesus being anything but Christ and about him being a 'good rabbi' or anything,
anything,
Stories so absolutely UNscientific, UNreasonable with NO basis in any facts and defying any and all evidence....
.. that story is the better choice for them to believe in.

Im going to say it again - The New Testament is one of the most reliable historical events in the history of the planet.
Its an act of God itself and there certainly is a 'mysterious code' to it all if you want to find it.
Its so ingenius and when you start discovering the mystery you will be convinced that a God put it there.
The answer: This New Testament is the most reliable and trustworthy message you can ever find.

 

Exactly.
Good question indeed.

 

Matthew 24 End of The "AGE"(AION) not WORLD

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be HATED of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the LOVE of MANY shall WAX COLD.