a spiral into insanity, or something else?

You're right of course hallucinogens have some practical use in the exploration of the ID.

For thousands of years and throughout the known world there has been widespread use of hallucinogens by the indigenous people, who were on a quest to discover the nature of mans existence, or to commune with whatever God or Gods they chose to worship.

I don't use them myself because I like to have a clear mind, which allows me to stay objective


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I haven't used hallucinogens in over 30 years. However I owe my awakening to peyote. After peyote, I realized among many other things that hallucinogens were ultimately a dead end, because I needed to get to the same place peyote took me on my own, without chemical help. And eventually I succeeded in this.

I think that, rather than wanting to stay "objective," which I believe is not strictly possible, what you want to do is to stay rational. This is an irony, since psychic experience is essentially non-rational (NOT "irrational," which is entirely different). However I would totally agree with you that staying rational is necessary between psychic experiences, in order to integrate an honest understanding of the experiences and guard against wishful thinking. I think maybe this is what you mean by "stay objective."

 

whoa! I haven't left, I've just been a bit busy. Actually, it's strange, there was no fear durring that moment of clarity. In fact, I'd estimate it was a ++++ on the Shuglin rating scale. Most of my trips are for spiritual purposes to begin with, so it was quite a pleasant experience to achieve.

Said character is very well developed. He has a name, an attitude of his own, a clearly defined appearance and isn't fuzzy in the least, and he can be both pleasant and annoying to deal with at times. His excuse for his existence is the same as I speculate, but that could be a self-reinforcing delusion of course. His main goal, as he describes it, is a sharing of consciousness, as presently he does not experience any of the things I experience in life, no sensory input from the physical form we both occupy. So essentially, he's bored, and it's irritating to him. Of course, again, I could just be batshit insane, I'm just offering the explanations of my drug induced imaginary friend. It's very fight-club in a more fantasy-geek and less terrorist-anarchist way.

 

Lecarick, it's truly a pleasure to "see" you again, and to experience again your precociously incisive observations on your whimsical dilemma.

How amusing and ironic that you mention Fight Club--I just watched that DVD for the first time over the holidays (at my stepson's urging), and loved it so much I had to watch it again two or three times--I lost count--and I wrote down some of my favorite quotes for possible use in my book.

Now this is an interesting difference between your companion and my companions: My companions experience all the sensory input that I do. Maybe more vividly than I do, if anything. The puzzle is probably unsolvable for the time being. This appears to be a long-term visitation, possibly with some spiritual lessons eventually manifesting. Busy as you are, please do stop in on occasion to update us. Your situation really is fascinating.

 

No fear? Heh, then I got nothing! As Zengizmo said, you have a really fascinating situation.

I do, however, have more pokey proddy questions if you don't mind ^_^;;
Can he by any chance... temporarily leave your side? I mean, theoretically speaking, he should be able to 'astrally project' from you if he hasn't already (His current state almost makes me think he's constantly astral... or something o_o;; ). I'm pretty sure that can leave him with at least a few months of entertainment.
If he can seemingly leave you for any periods of time, a few words of advice.
"If you succeed in reaching the astral plane, it is wise not to poke creatures, spirits, bugs, demons, higher beings, angels, or temporal anomalies in the eye."
Also, he probably shouldn't peak in on girls dressing rooms. Not for mystical reasons, it's just not nice lol

Seeing as how it's 6AM... it's too late for me to be making sense.. so if I didn't... I apologize.

 

Hrm... I've been kind've developing more conversation with this hallucination as of late, and I find it's a bit strange... I mean, I'll get warnings or insight about stupid choices I'm about to make a lot from him. Not to mention, interestingly enough, if I'm on a heavy dose of a hallucinogen, friends faces will change but this hallucination, stays totally the same. It doesn't change. The whole room will be melting and crawling and shifting, and he's just there, standing there without a single spec of trippy appearance to him.

It's also a bit amusing when I'm talking to a friend, especially one he doesn't like, and he'll chime in with his opinions or make humerous remarks about what's going on, which can lead to me inappropriately laughing at something he said, and confusing the people I'm around because they didn't hear anything.

All in all, it's quite strange, this thing that's happening...

 

Nothing is strange unless you or someone else makes it so.

Some consider talking to God Praying and it is ok, but if God speaks to you and you tell anyone else your considered nuts or a holy man.

People telling you to go see a shrink better look at their own existence first, because most shrinks don't know their ass from a hole-in-the-ground and do a lot of damage.

First you need to consider is your experiences destructive, if not then why not learn from the experience.

People in this shallow world we live only see with the physical senses they have been a custom too and even then every sense they are familiar with can be 100% decieved, so where does that leave any of us.

In the US unless it is on the news, in Hollywood, or put into law by our government it can't exist and if it does it must be wrong or bad. LOL!

Brainwashed! Sheep.

Native americans and Shamans in central and South America's practice ritutals sometimes daily or as long as they need to. Look up União do Vegetal it is a church. Many of the indiginous people use a root and a bark to see visions. Also look up Mimosa hostilis & Syrian Rue, Ayahuasca.

You are not insane. Look at the world we live in that is insane, their is no logic or reason to any of it, but if you live in it long enough the insanity becomes the norm and excepted as sane.

Sometimes we all need to take a step outside of the bubble we live in to see if the bubble is the truth or just a bullshit world we got caught up in.

RT

 

It all actually got pretty clear... believe this or not, said hallucination was actually a spirit guide... I've been getting more and more into shamanism, but more the philosophical side and trying to explain it with science, and this character has always been trying to guide my attitude and behavior in a certain direction... a positive one...

On a particular vision journey, I had an experience which cleared everything up... at least, so I believe. Said individual was actually a spirit that took interest in me and appeared to me in a way that I would understand and relate to it... when it finally explained what was going on, it went away and I haven't seen it since, but I know it's still around... essentially, I've gone from being a very bad person, to being a very good person, with a lot of the qualities of my spirit guide... looking back, I see all the things I've learned and the changes I've made to myself and I realize that I've been slowly getting shown a better way of life... and the whole time, I didn't know what was going on...

I'm seriously overwhelmed by this realization... but, it's made me open my eyes to that side of the world... and I'm going to explore shamanic knowledge from here on out... it's completely changed my life.

 

So good to hear from you again, Lecarick. It was obvious from the start of this thread that you're on a profound journey. Thank you for stopping by to report on your status. I'm fascinated to see where these events are taking your life. I think you might have something valuable to give the world at some point...

 

I look at it this way... I have the version I believe to be true, other people may think something else happened, it's cool with me... bottom line? It's been a positive defining experience from which I have learned, which is in no way different from any portion of the human experience. It's a good thing.