Too many, too often, for too long.

Ok so I just thought I'd post one aspect of my use of ecstacy over the years as a semi-educational thread, to let you know what happens if you take too many e too often for too long.

First a little backround. I took e for the first time when i was 14, before that I had smoked hash (the first time when i was 12) and taken speed (the first time when i was 13). The first time I took e I took 3 pills (speckled Mitsys) and it was probably the best night of my life, words can't even describe it, but thats a different story. Over the next year or so I did e about 7 or 8 more times about once a month or so.

Then when i was 15 I began selling e aswell, first just buying twenty or so pills and selling them off to my freinds for a 100% profit. Soon I was buying pills two or three hundred at a time and selling them to everyone, and soon after that I was buying 1000 and selling them off in 50s and 100s. So as you can imagin I was never short of pills for my own use. Because I was selling so many I spent a lot of time at parties and in clubs. Not wanting to be the only one not rolling I did e myself most of the time I was out aswell.

Of course it wasn't long before I developed a very high tolerance and I was soon taking about 6 or more pills everytime I did them and I was doing them about three nights a week, every week. I realised that it was a bad idea at the time to keep up that pace but I was just having too much fun to care and as I hadn't noticed any really seroius side effects I kept this up for around two months. The comedown and hangover never really bothered me because I always had valium set aside if I needed it.

Then one day it hit me. It was sunday and I had been out doing pills that Saturday and Friday the same as the last seven or 8 weeks. I was sitting in my siiting room and the phone rang. I jumped up to awnser it and got a head rush, ye know, from when you stand up too fast. But then as I stood still to regain my composure my vision started to fade untill everything was black. I felt really dizzy so i fell back into the couch and closed my eyes. After about ten seconds everything returned to normal. That was the begining of it.

Over the next few days everytime I stood up too quick I got a head rush and the same diming of my vision and dizziness would acompany it. By the next saturday it hadn't happened for two days so I figured it was one of those weird things and went out to a club and did two pills. Everything seemed ok untill the next day. I was lying in bed awake and decided to get up. I stood up and started to walk across my room when i felt a head rush again, so I stopped walking, but this time aswell as the vision fading and dizziness my leg started to shake uncontrollably to the point where I fell to the ground, then i blacked out. I snapped out of it after about 5 mins and regained my composure, I was totally freaked out.

I figured it would pass like it did the last time, I was wrong. For the next few days everytime I stood up quickly I would get a head rush and I would start to shake and black out. I tryed to be careful and stand up slowly everytime and stopped taking all drugs even alcohol, as drink or hash seemed to make it worse. After two weeks I was still having the same effects. I'd get out of breath or stand up to quick or even just turn around too quickly and my whole body would shake, my vision would tunnel out, I'd get this horrible taste of copper in my mouth, I'd lose my breath and I would pass out. I was so fucking pissed off with myself, I really thought I was after fucking myself up permanently. I'd read a bit about parkinsons syndrome and it seemed that that was what i was expieriencing. It made sense as parkinsons is due to your brain not producing enough dopamine. Maybe I had shorted out that part of my brain? Maybe all that fucking e had brought on Parkinsons syndrome or something? Maybe I was fucked for life? You fucking IDIOT!!! YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF!!! YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!! YOU DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET! YOU FUCKED IT ALL UP!! TOO MANY PILLS, TOO OFTEN, TOO LONG!!





Thankfully after about five or six weeks of substaining from all drugs, it all subsided slowly, although i still got dizzy when i stood up too quickly it was tapering off, I was getting back to normal. I have never been so relieved in my life, I really thought I was going to end up as a vegetable or something, i thought I was going to die. After about three months I started drinking and smoking hash again, testing the water, the dizziness was gone, I was finally back too normal. Pills were still off the menu, i wasn't going to take the chance, I stopped selling alltogether and stayed out of the clubs for a while to avoid temptation. Eventually after two years I tryed e again, just two pills, I was so fucking nervous but it went off without a hitch, no problems. But I set myself some very strict ground rules from that day on, never more than three pills at once and never more than once every two or three months, if even that.

This expierince isn't supossed to put people off doing ecstacy, i still fully believe that when used responsibly MDMA is a very safe drug. I guess the moral of the story if you want to look for one is, if you think you are doing too many pills or if other people do, then cut back or take a break, no second thoughts, because although in the end i was lucky theres usually no second chances. It may still turn out that i didn't get away unscathed, i will just have to wait and see if there will be ramifications for my actions further down the line.

Stay safe. Stiney
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whenever i do E like 2 days afterwards i get the same headrush u are talking bout

 

to much drugs just sucks. for me anyway. i allways build myself up doing more and more shit, until the point comes where you cant think for shit, feel like shit everyday, cant hardly get a grasp of your own thoughts, complelty from the second you wake to the second you sleep thinking obsessing about drugs. the same thoughts stuttering and staggering over and over. the thought repeats 5 times over just to understand what your thinking. so you quit, then when shits good again i start doing more and more bulding myself up. screw it.
the best advice i ever told was when i was on E, and i told my best friends to Never touch a drug in their life. its true i guess.

 

yeah... after the first few times, it's like "if i could just be that way forever..." but that happens through hard work, not through chemicals.

i have a rule for myself; if i'm going to roll, i am only eating half a pill (i'm small, so half is enough). if there ever is a time when half isn't enough, then i don't need to be doing it anymore. i think it's okay to eat three, at the maximum, if it's a special occasion and you're with friends, like a few times a year. but those times when it's just like "hey, want some ecstasy?" there's no reason to take more than the minimum. it can definately be addictive... but that's not what it's for.

 

iv learned a few lessons in the past couple of years. first thing is, live for life, not for drugs. that means for me, only taking drugs on occasion. where it should come to a point you complelty forget about drugs inbetween times that you do them. if there done on this rare occasion, no matter what the drug, your go back to feeling your normal even better self quick. well, thats waht i find anyway. yous know what i mean, to tired to explan the rest...

 

Yeah E's not really something to do all the time., Like the third I tryed it,fiended for it. I bought like 2 blue doves they were ok, kind of a mellower buzz. I smoked a bunch of weed and was feeling awesome Then after I came down off the E hardcore, I fiended for it hardcore and wanted more. I bought 5 more pink nikes. I sniffed them throughout the night. I went to bed for a while, got up and took the last one. I was jonesing for them all day after I came down off that first one, taking ritalin and smoking weed to kill the cravings. It was weird , all I wanted to do was to get higher and higher, or as high as possible. I did some white nikes that nite. I slept and took a day off from doing them and went to my parents house. Then the next night I drove around with my dealer and did a couple more. I pissed off so many people, and spent so much money I didn't have getting them fronted to me. It scared the shit outta me. Now I only do it once in a while. Cause I kinda do have a addictive personality. It's just not a recreational drug for me. Unlike weed. Don't get me wrong, I love the buzz, but if I get a taste of that buzz, I will want more and more of it, wanting to be there forever. It's like I love the buzz too much.

 

Good and helpful story Stiney. I find it so interesting and useful from the real world experiences. As with all of the research I've done on X what you are saying fuels my lack of desire to do XTC more than my one time overall (not to say I wouldn't do it again on a rare rare occasion). With all of my searching about drugs it seemed that the people who had issues with XTC were primarily the ones who used large quanities of it. That made me think if you only do it a wee bit there was a high chance little to no harm done.

haha oh man just thinking about how X made me feel makes me smirk.

 

I think I should mention after seeing INSANEPOOKIE's post that, since these expieriences, I've done e a few times, and have had no problems at all, but now I do them very sparingly, because I know how bad it feels when you start fucking your head up.

 

i think pills are great but it seems common sense not to go get more just because you wanna feel high again. the comedown only gets worse. i want to take e soon. but i have worries within myself about like, if i take e this weekend then it probably wont be a good idea to spend that money on more e the next weekend so i have to work out which weekend it would be better to take the e on

or something like that
and its all silly, it shouldnt be like that, but thats how it is. and thats why maybe it is good that ecstacy costs so much or else it woul dbe too easy to give into the urge to take it when the next party ..rolls.. around.

ive not taken much ecstacy compared to the people who have problems. but i know it has to be very internal, your decisions on it. no one can ever tell another person how much to take or when to take it, because everyone reaches a certain point differently. but its always teh same. whether youre depressed or anxious person and a night of pills makes you cry for like a week, or whether you hold yourself together a bit more and can keep going for like a week of binging before you get to the point where you cant function properly. theres still that point where your brain kicks out and taking more of the drug doesnt make you feel better than you did initially, it just makes you feel better than you do when youre scattered and comedown. if that

 

amen stiney...MDMA is a truely beautiful substance, when abused it can fuck you up for a long time...axon trimming is not healthy

always stay anti-oxidized...drink lots of orange juice, and if you have a prozac eat it on the come down...if nothing else dopnt roll more then once a month or the magic will fade and the brain damage will show...trust me i speak from experience

 

ummmmmmmmmm... prozac and mdma, bad idea anyone?

 

its a bad idea if you take it while your rolling you could die, your suposed to take it when you come down so to releive prssure on the axons...read the antioxident article on erowid...ive done it many times and all it does is reduce the hang over

"One of the most important recent findings about MDMA neurotoxicity is the fact that damage to the serotonin system appears to be entirely separable from the primary experiential effects. More than a decade ago, several papers documented that SSRIs such as fluoxetine block MDMA neurotoxicity, but some users have understandable discomfort about mixing two strong psychoactives, not to mention that SSRIs are expensive, can be difficult to get, and reduce desirable effects if taken before MDMA. There are also some theoretical concerns about possible dangerous interactions between MDMA and SSRIs, although these are not borne out by case reports and a research suggests that SSRIs reduce MDMA's overall physiological effects.10 Despite these issues, there is good reason to believe that SSRIs are effective at reducing risk of neurotoxicity."
-erowid

 

He's completely right.