what about the voting machines...

Discussion in 'Protest' started by soulrebel51, Aug 11, 2004.

  1. Bacchus

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  2. Hippy Hunter

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    Post a link to the story already! I obviously know what site it's on, but I'm not going to wade through all the crap on that site to get there!
     
  3. Bacchus

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    There are about 50 stories. Under the obvious title of Voting Fraud. I also previously linked that page.
     
  4. Hippy Hunter

    Hippy Hunter Banned

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    I really hope that you don't believe 90% of this crap! They only post articles relating to their beliefs. If they posted all the other articles about how secure these machines are they'd lose their readers. This site makes my brain hurt, just the thought that such idiocy exists in the world; and that people like you believe it.









    You wish you had a point here, none of them said that Bush was getting the election. Although it did say that it was easier to bribe people working at the polls when they used punchcards.
     
  5. Bacchus

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    Trust your vote to Diebold then. You're not a Green party member, you don't vote Libertarian. What's it matter to you? I on the other hand, have been disinfranchised. My voice has NO representation. So it's an issue to me.
     
  6. Hippy Hunter

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    I DON'T!?!?!?! That's news to me!!

    FYI: Because we used confusing paper voting methods doesn't mean that your voice has been heard. Your voice, like mine, has never been heard.
     
  7. dhs

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    That's your own damn fault. If you truly wanted your voice to be heard, you would make sure it IS heard.
     
  8. Hippy Hunter

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    Yours to has not been heard.
     
  9. Bacchus

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    So why the defense of the Republican ideal?
     
  10. Salmon_we_is_the_act

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    Which one is that? I have been defending the voting machine company if anyone.
     
  11. Bacchus

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    According to the Center for Responsive Politics' contribution database, Diebold gave $100,000 to the Republican National Committee in 2000 and additional sums between 2001 and 2002 totaling $95,000. Including Diebold CEO William O'Dell's personal soft-money contributions of $5,965 during that cycle, the total amount of contributions exceeds $200,000 for the period.

    A further search of the database showed Diebold to be, of the four companies competing for contracts, the only one to contribute large sums to any political party.

    Mr. O'Dell has been conspicuous in his support for President Bush, pledging in a letter to the President last Summer that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."


    http://www.gristforthemill.org/010418diebold.html
     
  12. MagicMedicine

    MagicMedicine Sailor Scent

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    Alright Hippy Hunter. You do nothing to help any of these threads. Shut the fuck up.

    Bottom of it is, they want to put in place a voting system that is not ready for action yet. If there are claims about security issues, they need to be resolved before we start voting on them. You don't put a half done car on the showroom floor. They are rushing this, and it's not going to do anyone any good. If I was going to buy a product, and I've seen and heard stories against it to this extent, I would give it a couple years to let them work out their issues.

    And for the CEO to make contributions to ANY political party was an extremely bad business move. You can not deny that that does not automatically raise suspiscion. It's cool if you support your party, but not as a CEO of the company that is going to be making our polling systems.

    And sure, 1 vote is nothing in the sea of millions, but if everyone had the mentaility, we wouldnt have any votes at all. Everyone needs to put their vote in, no matter what good anyone says it does. Otherwise, they need to not complain.
     
  13. Salmon_we_is_the_act

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    Thank you for your worthless opinion on my contribution. Maybe I should just tell people to "shut the fuck up"; I think that would be a worthy contribution.

    The CEO of that company has his right to whatever political opinion he wants. Just because you want to take away his right to political expression doesn't make you right; it makes you a Nazi. He is an American, thus he gets an opinion.

    The company is saying the machines are finished and, like all, the software will need to tested. I believe them and encourage a less confusing voting system. It really couldn't be that hard to test (read previous posts).

    Everyone will contest how crappy the paper method is. Do you remember the deboggle in Florida? The paper system just contributed to the mess.

    I believe one vote does matter. I think people should use that vote locally where it matters more. Or maybe not, so my vote matters more.
     
  14. Salmon_we_is_the_act

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    So what? Is it time to call out the Ghestopo and have him shot? We've already covered this; the man gets a political opinion, clearly didn't say "I will rig the machines to ensure that you win Mr. Bush", and I don't care where his contributions are. Just because he strongly supports the President doesn't mean that he's going to rig the election. The word "the" makes this a general statement. He easily could be reffeing to Bush, Kerry, Badnarik, Bugs Bunny; whoever is President will have the electorial votes delivered to them through these machines.
     
  15. Soulless||Chaos

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    that about sums it up... :(
     
  16. MagicMedicine

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    Arg, do you not read what I am saying. I will go through this ONE more time for the slow ones in the crowd.

    I am simply saying that they should not put in place a poll system that not everyone trusts. There needs to be testing and testing done, then published on national tv and the like so that everyone sees that they are not rigged, set up, whatever. If the public does not trust the system, and there is doubts, they need to prove it otherwise, or keep it out of the voting system for now.

    And I am also simply saying that it is a bad BUSINESS move, especially for a company that COUNTS THE POLLS, to have a stand on politics. I'm not saying he CAN'T, I am JUST SAYING that it arouses suspiscion when voting time comes. That's all. I'm not denying him his rights, just saying, as a corporate leader, he has responsibilitys. One of those is to look out for the best of his company.

    Finally, worthless opinion? You don't like my posts because I don't like your attitude. You give everyone static about anything they say, unless they agree with you. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and you don't need to challange what everyone posts. Simple. And I like how you call your cynical babble "contribution", and someone trying to make a point "worthless opinion". And I'm not telling "people" to shut up, just you. And I know you're gonna have something smart to say to all of this, so I'll be looking forward to it.
     
  17. Salmon_we_is_the_act

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    It warms my heart to know that you are waiting for my response, I think I might be crying.

    Fine! Testem' again, they say they've been tested. I wrote: "The company is saying the machines are finished and, like all, the software will need to be tested. I believe them and encourage a less confusing voting system. It really couldn't be that hard to test (read previous posts)." So what are you disagreeing with me on? I trust them, I'm the public.

    - WORTHLESS!!! I wasn't talking about your whole post. You would see this is you read this line "Thank you for your worthless opinion on my contribution"! Which is where I think you went wrong in this entire paragraph-
    I like your post just fine, except when you tell me to "shut the fuck up"
    I give everyone static because they are wrong.
    Why would I disagree with them if the agree with me?
    If everyone is entitled to thier opinions, then aren't I entitle to believe they are wrong?
    "Cynacal babble" Sound like someone is challenging what I say because I disagree with him.....hypocrite (or is it Hippycrite)
    I didn't say your point was worthless (read above)
    SOMETHING SMART....hahahha (jk, really)
     

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