Whether you call yourself a Left-winger or a Right-winger, you are falling into a trap created to keep you from the truth which never has any sides. For every story, there is another side to that story the public never hears about. For every two-sided debate, there is another which never gets heard. This is all by design as what we call "politics" is strictly for the masses and has always been for the masses. Through politics and religion, the few at the top can control the many at the bottom. Politics is strictly for the public's consumption and distraction. The people at the top -- not the bought-off politicians who are merely puppets -- do not follow politics since they control the political structure, as well as the media, which molds the minds of the unquestioning masses and keeps them in a slumber, subservient to a corrupt system that cares nothing about joe average's well-being or that of his family. The ones at the top print the money out of thin air, charging interest on something which costs virtually nothing to create, while controlling people and nations they loan this fiat currency to through a system of debt and taxes. We call this "civilization." Their agenda is control. Control over government, control over business and trade, control over private property, control over free speech, and control over you. You are their property, and you truly are their slaves. Any generation born into a system that is working to pay off existing debt from previous generations is a slave. They know that to control the masses, you need to control the opposition to every opposing side. You need to supply an opposition for the masses so they will not think for themselves, rather embrace what is provided to them on TV and in books and magazines, never thinking outside of what they're given. Otherwise there might be a REAL uprising based on knowledge and truth, and they can't have that. This is what we have with the Left/Right debate. While people are busy arguing over abortion, global warming, and whether men should have the right to marry other men, legislation is being passed that, when implemented, will result in the complete sovietization-naziation of this country. This is all being implemented from the top. The Elite know that to successfully move an agenda forward, they must have their fall guys -- the people in the spotlight we call our "politicians," or more pathetically, "elected officials" -- to take the wrath for whatever might arise as the result of their actions. These politicians do not represent you or me. They represent the people at the top -- the Global Elite -- they must answer to, who have placed them into the positions of power they're in, and can just as easily remove from power if they step out of line and decide to start acting on their own. We know what happened to John F. Kennedy. So before you start thinking that the end of the Bush administration will equate to the end of all our problems, think again. So-called "democracy" works so well for the Elite, because once the public gets fed up with one politician or political party, they can simply get rid of them in favor of another criminal controlled by the same few elitists at the top. This works well for the control freaks as it dupes the "profane" (the elites' term for the unenlightened masses) that they actually have a choice, when in reality they have anything but. People who believe in the sham called democracy do not rebel because they are slaves. The most efficient slaves are the ones who do not know they're slaves, but think they're free. It doesn't matter if it's the Right-wing, Left-wing, or a chicken wing in power, the agenda at the top ALWAYS remains the same. That agenda is the agenda of the Global Elite, who are working tirelessly to move ahead their plan for a New World Order. They are not far off from achieving this goal. Through the media and public education/indoctrination system, they have the public dumbed-down, apathetic, morally corrupted, and exactly where they want them, with their minds in the gutter and almost completely incapable of thinking for themselves, much less defending themselves and their families against what's to come. The time is running out for people to start to wake up and take action. This will first require them to drop all their preconditioned ideas of political parties, democracy, conservatism, liberalism, socialism, and whatever other lables were given to them to keep them in the dark. It requires critical thought to replace the thoughts and ideas given to them by TV, newspapers and magazines. Only once enough people wake up and decide enough is enough, can something be done.
I agree completely man. I've been saying this forever to my cousin who is a staunch republican and Bush supporter. Anytime you say something about Bush he's always coming back with something like "Do you know what Bill Clinton did!?" Its either liberal or conservative OR republican or democrat. He told me once that you have to choose a side because the people in the middle of the road will eventually get run over. "Middle of the road" meaning there are two sides and you must choose one. One of the things that bothers me most is that hes a real intelligent guy. Hes the one that got me thinking about the evils of american government..... Its sad
LOL Rat you are a very right wing libertarian with nationalist tendencies who is on record as saying you think that Bush and the neo-cons are too left wing. But every once and a while you pop up spinning this same old bull shit along with your little friends like Angle trying to convince people that you are not a right wing libertarian and that you actually stand for some mystical other way which ‘never gets heard’. (Never heard my arse, just type illuminati or new world order into Google and you get nearly 5m hits a piece) So what is this ‘third way’? Well Rat believes the world is run by a bunch of Satanists and that he has been told by his own personal god that he must tell everyone about them. So what is to be done, well according to Rat, nothing much, at least nothing constructive, his global elite is too powerful for that, so voting is useless, organising is useless, demonstrating is useless. So what can you do? Well you can bitch endlessly about the ‘global elite’ the Zionist bankers, the Satanists, the illuminati, the communists, the socialists, the left wingers, oh yes that’s right he really has it in for left wing politics. Oh and by the way he is on record as saying that the only polices that the ‘global elite’ would hate and which might ‘save’ us are funnily enough those of right wing libertarianism. But so what if he is a right winger with a right wing agenda, he claims he is just a fair and balanced observer who just happens to have rather extreme right wing views and spends a lot of his time saying that left wingers (which includes the Republican Party) are the willing workers of Satanists. If people want to know more here are a couple of links and if you want more I will be only too happy to supply them. The Rat "I am willing to debate you" thread. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112948 ‘The conspiracy’ what’s the point? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144901
It's hard to deny Rat's point of view after having read all the documents on the PNAC site, and watching the current development of the SPP. Balbus I don't think the repeated use of Satanism is enough to truly divert the purpose of his posts.
I believe the world is run by a bunch of satanists? I am a far Right-wing nationalist? Geez, if Balbus says I am, I must be. Thanks, Balbus, for telling everybody "what I am."
gardener Might I ask the purpose of your posts Balbus? To inform You seem to follow Rat around. Rat comes here
The true motives and the interworkings of policy makers. So what are the true motives and the inter workings of policy makers that he informs us of?
Rat to quote you “Many people will probably scoff at such a "ludicrous" idea, and that is fine. Whether or not you believe in Lucifer or Molech worship is irrelevent. The fact of the matter is, members of the Global Elite do, and they engage in this activity regularly.” **
Actually Rat initiated this thread. You have a right to reply, but character assasination doesn't constitute a rebuttal. It is up to the individual to read the material and make their own decisions on that, rather than draw lines in the sand and only prescribe to either left or right views. I've read the material and I have come to my own conclusions.
You should date and reference your quotes Balbus. That one is from another thread and is perhaps a year old. I don't see how it directly relates to this thread. Perhaps you are like a dog with a bone. You know the marrow is gone, but you just can't stand to bury it.
For those reading this thread who don't wish to read a year old thread. Rat was referring to the "Skull and Bones" and "Bohemian Grove" organizations. Neither of which appear to be mainstream Christian organizations in my viewpoint. They both appear to have distinctly pagan symbolism associated with their membership rituals.
Actually Rat initiated this thread. You have a right to reply, but character assasination doesn't constitute a rebuttal. In what way do you see what I’ve said as character assassination? I’m just pointing out to people that rat’s views are right wing in nature something that could be missed, when he seems to imply he is not of the left or right. ** It is up to the individual to read the material and make their own decisions on that, rather than draw lines in the sand and only prescribe to either left or right views. I've read the material and I have come to my own conclusions. And so you wouldn’t then object to people been given alternative points of view? ** You should date and reference your quotes Balbus. That one is from another thread and is perhaps a year old. I don't see how it directly relates to this thread. Perhaps you are like a dog with a bone. You know the marrow is gone, but you just can't stand to bury it. Rat seemed to imply that it was just my imagination that he had said he thought the global elite were Satanists. I was just pointing out that it wasn’t my imagination he had said it. As for dating or referencing it i didn't think i needed to the quote comes directly from one of the the threads I linked to earlier, does that mean you didn’t read them before making these comments? **
"Might I ask the purpose of your posts Balbus? You seem to follow Rat around." Great question man, care to answer balbus?
If I had not read them how would I know that they were old threads? I am also aware of the full context in which the quote was taken. New readers will not be. Partial quotes in particular should be thoroughly referenced.
