I have a dream...

I have a dream that one day the few Christians on this CHRISTIAN forum would be allowed to speak freely about their beliefs.

I have a dream that one day when someone gets ticked off at the view that the Bible holds that THAT person will not kill the messenger.

I have a dream that if banning is a must, then ban the ones who consistently mock, swear, and present nonsense in the CHRISTIAN forum instead of the Chrisitians who are trying have an honest debate.

There may never be a day like this, for this forum is like Babylon and Chrisitinity is certainly not welcome, but I do have a dream...

 

You may have a dream now, but the real question is ...

When are you planning on making the dream a reality?

 

That dream's reality is out of my control... But do you have any suggestions?

 

No suggestions. Only one question. When was anything ever in your control?

 

I never said I was in control of anything.

It's just disappointing how freedom of speech is rank so high in our society, yet here on the forums speech is not so free. At least for Christians on the Christian forum. How dare we use the Bible as a source of our belief.

 

Sorry. You indicated your dreams' realities were out of your control. I was just questioning if you ever were in control.

Seems that most of the users here, you included, have either forgotten what the Forum Posting Guidelines stated, or you probably never read them to begin with.

When a person joins the forum, HipForums, or any forum for that matter, one must accept and abide by the premise of the guidelines of the forum. If they step outside the boundaries of those guidelines, then they accept the responsibility for whatever their actions may bring ... in accordance with those guidelines.

Seems kind of silly to accept someone's guidelines and then complain about them or dispute them. That being the case, why did they join the forum to begin with? Or, why did they accept the guidelines to begin with? Seems to me that accepting someone's guidelines with the thought or intention to dispute them is pointless.

Seems to me, also, that people like you need to be reminded of them. More oftener than I had ever anticipated.

In the case of someone being banned, since that is what this is really all about anyway, it'd be easier to go back to the guidelines to see what are the causes for being banned rather than trying to rally a cause in your favor for something you have no control over ... why? Because you forgot what the posting guidelines stipulated.

No one was being suppressed for their ideas ... no matter what you think. And think you will because your thoughts are probably all you think you have control over anyway.

The result of whatever happens to people are in their own control. You have the choice to do whatever you want. Thing is, you have to accept the resopnsibility for whatever actions you choose to produce the results they do, desireable or undesireable. If you don't want to accept the responsibility for your actions, then it would be to your favor to become mindful of what you say or do.

Mind preceeds speech. Mind preceeds action. Whatever you say or do has a consequence. If it's good speech or actions the results will be good. Or, if it's bad speech or actions the results will be bad.

So guess what ... you're in control of everything. Everything you get is everything you ever asked for. When things go wrong for you and you think you lost control ... wrong ... you created the result by creating the condition for the result, so you were in control all along. When you get bad results, thats because you produced bad conditions. When you get good results, thats because you produced good conditions.

You say you're out of control because you don't like the results ...

Well ...

From this moment on, whatever you do or say, you have to accept the responsibility for the results because your actions or speech will certainly produce them, and they are yours ... the speech and actions ... no one else's ...

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No... the problem is not that I have am not aware of the rules. The problem is that there are corrupt moderators that abuse their position.

I hate to resurrect old names... but does anyone remember FuzzyNutz? I sure do.... for months he would harrass Christians with vulgar language. He would post spam constantly loading up the Christian forum. He consistently refused to get into any depth of a conversation, but rather responded with childish posts. I did all I could to hold my tongue. It took months and months for anyone to do anything about him. But why so long?

Hmm lets see... could it be that the moderators and fuzzy shared the same view?

Yet anytime a Christian might be crossing the line... they symbolic hang them on a cross.

The people in Jesus' day did not like what He was saying. The only way to stop Him was to hang Him on a cross to His death.

I have a dream that one day Christians could discuss what they trully bielive without the slant others holding them back.

I have a dream that one day Christians would not be hassled by the law of the forums not because they did wrong, but rather because the person just did not like what the Christian was saying.

But then again it's only a dream.

 

Could it be that no one even bothered reporting his antics until it got too out of hand?

No one certainly contacted me regarding him until it was too late. I'm the one that banned him and all his FN pseudonyms. So I guess it's me you're accusing of sharing the same views with him ... ???

Actually, you're hanging people on a "symbolic" cross here because now you're completely exaggerating, or at the least blowing things way out of proportion to suit your own means, ideas or agenda.

Unfortunately, I guess, for you, those do exist here ... only not by your standards.

Anyone, not just Christians, can discuss ... discuss ... what they truely believe in (dont know what you mean by "without the slant others holding them back", unless its a typo of some sort) here. And the key word here is discuss. Not badger ... Not threat ... Not berate ... Not flame ... Not troll ... others for opposing their beliefs.

And Christians are not hasseled by the law of the forums because of what they are saying. More to the point, they are banned for stepping outside the defined boundaries of the guidelines. How do you step outside the boundaries of the guidelines? By doing exactly what it says to do to get oneself banned.

What I see here is you got your feelings hurt over someone elses wrong-doing and you had such high or haughty sights about this person that you most likely saw this person as above any wrong-doing.

Those are your feelings. I suggest you get over it.

See that you don't go overboard with this "agenda" of yours. Because you will get exactly what you want out of it. You may not like it, but you'll get what you put into it.

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Let me put this entire thread of yours to rest here, because it is about someone being banned, someone you obviously have some kind of emotional attachment to, by reminding you to go back and read the Forum Posting Guidelines, especially the one relating to Banning

Banning: People who violate these forum guidelines repeatedly are subject to banning. Once someone has been banned from the site, we don't not allow complaints about it. Once banned, we are done with that individual, and no amount of complaining from other members will help. We don't need to justify our bans. This only causes more work for the moderators. Which is usually the reason for the person being banned in the first place. So those who complain about a banishment, are subject to being banned themselves.

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For that reason alone this thread is now closed ...

Your complaints can easily be indirect as well as direct. In which case, you're close to stepping outside those above-mentioned boundaries as it is.

Pay particular attention to the points I marked boldly and in red.