hunting american style

Well, just incase anyone was offended by what I said, I was not intending to sound superior to anyone. I am sure that the fellow veggies responding to this thread were not, as well. I am respectful to all beliefs, even those that I disagree with, as I have said many times throughout this thread. I have strong opinions about this topic, however, and I wanted to share them. I also enjoy reading how others feel and how they react to my opinions. Some veggies can be preachy, but so can a lot of other people, including people who eat meat. There are many times when I have to deal with the "Jesus ate meat" and "you care more about animals than you do humans" comments from people that I know. There are holier-than-thou attitudes and ignorance in all types of people.

 

That was exactly my point. As a veggie I have encountered both behaviours... my cattle ranching family who can't understand why I don't want to eat a steak, and fellow veggies who can't understand how I can still be around my "barbarian family".

So often these discussions turn into an "I'm more evolved than you" thing... and I just wish everyone could get over themselves, veggie and hunter alike. Its a personal decission... thats all.

 

I agree with whoever said it is unnecassary and we have evolved passed that

And that doesnt automatically make this a PETA thread, it makes it a thread of opinions

 

Thank you for pointing that out about PETA, verseau_miracle. There are many veggies out there who want nothing to do with PETA but still feel very strongly about their beliefs. I am sure that many of you hunters would take offense if someone came in here calling you "rednecks" or "hicks." Generalizations = uke:

 

Yes we have. Now instead of providing our own food from the blessed mother earth we can go to work and have our paychecks taxed to support oil wars in the middle east, then we can drive our fossile fuel burning auto to the super walmart (or the the health food store) and buy prepackaged food stuffs. This food has been brought to the market via trucks on highways. This food has also supported countless administrators and executive salaries. This food has required a variety of emails and invoices and bills of laden to get them to us as well.

I'm so glad we have evolved.

edited to add: I'm absolutely not knocking anyones way of life or how anyone gets by. I am only showing a little of my own reasoning as to why I feel good providing food directly from the land and not involving all the other stuff. To me anything I can provide myself has become a passion.

peace and love

 

That is a fair statement. I can agree with that .

 

Good post.
That kinda goes in line with my ice age post. Climate in a HUGE way affects diet. Many experts think humans were primarily vegetarian until the ice age when things froze over and they had to adapt to hunting game to survive (which no doubt helped to exercise our brains to a higher level to figure all this new shit out). So an Eskimo eating a meat based diet makes perfect ecological and social sense. It would be dumb if one didn't (unless they have alot of health food stores up there) because they just wouldn't be likely to survive. Plus the snow makes a perfect freezer to keep the meat good over longer periods of time.

It's just whats best for YOU in your circumstance. If your an eskimo and hunt you probably have a deeper understanding of life and death and the continuous circle thereof, so bravo to you. Your also not supporting a market that tortures animals all their lives and wastes precious rescources in transporting them. But also a huge bravo to all the vegetarians out there who have said, "hey, I'm not in that kind of circumstance, and I do not believe it is right for me to hunt because I have other choices.

It's hardly a black and white issue. There's alot of gray here

 

I'm the one your talking about...

I like checking in with PETA because they keep me updated on alot of issues I may otherwise be unaware of, but I am in no way a member, or agree with all of their means or beliefs. I will come out and say I am not even a true vegetarian, but a pescaterian (I eat seafood). And yes I do wish I still lived in the Florida Keys so I could fish it myself. I do feel guilt over that.

One day though I plan on growing all my own food and catching my own fish. We're not all perfect... but if you shoot for the moon, at least your fall among the stars.

 

My ISP has been down for a while, so it was a surprised to see the follow ups after my post. Thought I was dead meat ( forgive the pun).
I have dealings with vegan/veggies when they spend the summer here, I've been told more than once that I'm going to burn in hell for eating red meat.
But on the other hand, I've seen the same types who decided to stay here and by January their sucking the meat off a pork chop bone.
There comes a point at 20 below zero that lettuce and bean sprouts don't keep the furnace fired. You need meat, fat, etc....
Freeinalaska: guess it was OK to use you as a reference. Haven't heard from you.
Drumminmama: With the N.A.F.T.A., still hasn't brought freight up the Al-Can hi way to Alaska from Canada. It still goes to the lower 48 and is shipped through the Port of Seattle. They have been rapeing us for years.
Well once again, everyone thank you....
Well tonight for dinner we are having a pounded moose steak, home grown potato's, carrots and onions. And a store bought salad... Haven't figured out how to store lettuce in the freezer through the winter.....Bon aperitif

 

I never told you to go live in the forest ion Alaska by your self. By all means have a cabin and clothes and everything u need but don't ever be unfair. I see things where an animal, who is wild, lacking reason is starving and kills a person and everyone has a big fit, yet I see events where a pack or humans go out with guns, chasing down animals and their children and families who are all unarmed and people call that sport. i'm just saying do it fair and square.

 

2% of America's populations is used for farmland where animals live on it anyway. A farmland which is fastly disappearing. If you wanna argue that that is all the vegitable anf fruit eaters you're wrong 80% of the Amazon that is being used for export is the meat industry, 74% of Brazil and the middle eastern land use is for the meat industry. Just about less than 40% goes to vegetable for food for people.

 

would of got back before been busy.
cattle ranching is the leading cause of the deforestation in the brazilian amazon.
This has been the case since at least the 1970s:government figures attributed 38% of deforestation from 1966-1975,to large scale cattle ranching.
According to the (CIFOR), " between 1990 and 2001 the percentage of meat imported from Brazil rose from 40 to 74% " and by 2003" for the first time ever, the growth in Brazilian cattle production-80% of which- was largely export driven."
The devaluation of the Brazilian real, against the dollar,doubled the price of beef and created an incentive for ranchers to expand there pasture areas,at the expense of the rain forest.
The weakness of the real also made Brazilian beef more competitive on the world market.
meat eaters all over the world, are contributing to the destruction of the rain forest.