Vedic Astrology - Length of Life...Kala Chakra?

Hello, I'm new to exploring eastern concepts and religions, all my collective knowledge has been in the west. I've read about different systems that are possible via vedic astrology to calculate the exact life-spam of a particular individual, however, it's extremely sensitive to the exact minute an individual was born.

I've also read where some systems were up to 77% accurate while others we're much worse. Even then I read it was kind of dynamic, depending on circumstances and choices made in that individuals life. Any thoughts?

 

I'm not sure about astrology in general, because I don't believe in a deterministic universe. If everything is mapped out in detail in advance for us, then it would seem we have no freedom, but are simply drones executing their programming.

On the other hand, perhaps astrology etc can be useful in determining the main lines of things - probabilities, potentialities and so on, but within a flexible understanding. Nothing is pre-determined in any detail, and we have the power to change things.

I don't know much about astrology, vedic or western. I'm more interested in the Tarot cards and the I Ching.

 

when you can control what thoughts you will get, then you are in control, this ofcourse is not possible, the way you are, the way I am , the way everyone is , depends on our life experiences which themselves are not in our control. Freedom is an illusion, until we receive liberation

 

So do you think then that everything is mapped out in advance in every detail? If so, there would be no chance of ever attaining to a higher consciousness unless it was pre-determined, and no action you could take would bring forward the time.
We must have some freedom, or we could never change anything about ourselves or our path in life. We could never, for example, decide to act for liberation. It would have to be determined by something beyond our own power.

This is one of the things which makes a nonsense out of certain aspects of christian theology. If god knows everything, he knows the future, and has always known it, Therefore, those who will be 'saved' are already pre-marked out for salvation, whilst the rest have absolutely no chance. Since god's forknowledge of their damnation is certain and absolute.
This view was held by both St. Augustine and Calvin, two very influential figures in the history of c/anity.
It renders our lives utterly useless and impotent in my view.

 

I simply said we are not in control , i never said it was pre planned, but simply that there is no freedom. Our past actions shape our present circumstances, our present circumstances shape our future. Based on your present actions or past actions one can predict your future.

When I say past and present and future, i am also including our past lives, which dictates where we are born, when we are born and with what inclinations. There is real freedom , when we stop this cycle with our cessation of this action and reaction cycle through bhakti, surrender and detachment.

 

Ok Jedi - but astrology does seem to suggest such a scheme where everything is determined. The fact that someone asks if you can plot the whole course of someone's life using jyotish is evidence of that.

I agree we can predict - but only up to a point. What we can point at are probabilities, nothing is set in stone regarding the future.

 

Yes BBB, I agree, nothing is set in stone, unless one carves it into the stone.

 

Even then, the stone may shatter, or be ground slowly down to sand......:H

 

Sand is also a type of stone, your carving may perish, but it can reform if it aggregates back into stone a million years later.

 

Unless it gets used as aggragate to mix cement and become part of a new superhighway first.... eventually it might become diamond - then even that too might undergo further transformation.

 

Then we agree that in the highway, in the diamond and in the carved block and in the sand , ---> the essence of this stone alone really remains unchanged, and everything else changes.

 

I can't answer this properly Jedi, as I don't really know my stuff in physics as well as I should.
I think that yes - on some level - atomic? sub-atomic? everything is made of the same stuff. The atoms or particles don't really change, they come together to form new molecules, which combine into ever more complex structures etc. If the structures disintegrate, it doesn't mean the atoms are destroyed (excepting in neuclear fission)

I thnk it's true that the actual material from which the earth and everything on it is made came from the sun (obviously. we could go back further and ask where the material in the sun came from , but let's keep it within limits)
So the old hippie anthem from the 60's 'woodstock' was right "we are stardust"

Why matter should thus aggregate itself is of course another question......

 

lol , so what were we talking about again?

 

astrology - determinism - stuff like that. nice little diversion though

 

I think a compliment is in order BBB, I always get a wild mind trip discussing with you.

Jedi's humble respects to Mr. BlackBillBlake.

 

respect to you too Jedi.

to stimulate thought is def one of my goals here.....even the occaisional wild thought. We need them now and then -

 

I believe that the body is subject to influences of the universe where the study of Astrology in terms of personality and prediction play a key, however, we have a free will in terms of our mind to make other choices. We identify with the choices we make using our senses, which come from the body - which influence our mind.

 

We have three (3) levels here. Mind, Body, and Spirit. You'll hear a lot of different things such as Free Will, Destiny, Fate - and it a lot of ways it seems that they all conflict. How can Fate be evident if you have Free Will ? The answer to that is this: Your mind is a Free Moral Agent with Free Will completely able to make free will decision. Your body is part of this world and is subject to the laws of this world. Just as the Sun creates heat and causes the body to sweat, so do the planets and stars affect the body also. Just as the Moon changes the tides of the ocean, so do the transits of the planets and stars also affect us. But how? Does that mean if I'm a Leo, I'm GOING to be this way? No. Not at all. When we are born, we have five senses on the body level to help determine and create a unique individuality for our mind.

 

what does that symbol mean?