British Greetings

I'm with mat on the ****** word, but then I'm old school working class.
I'm sure the modern whitey have no problem using it themselves, unless they were in a blues club.

My terms of greeting would usually be alright mate(mucka), or alright hows tricks ?

 

I would even say that because there are places you still can't use the word, it's even more important to keep pushing back those boundaries. But Lenny Bruce said it better than I ever could:

 

Sorry but I just think thats nonsense. People are hateful and will use words in a hateful fashion, lose one word and it will be replaced by another. You will always be able to make a six year old cry with language, all you need is implied violence.

The quote you offer just sounds like a comedy routine for a white nightclub in the sixties, hardly the most philosophical of material.

 

Very true To be fair I don't really imagine Lenny Bruce thought he was solving the issue of violent threats or bullying in general, just making some interesting and valuable points about the use and evolution of language in a funny and engaging way.

Can't quite work out if you're joking about the "comedy routine" thing ... obviously ... it was a comedy routine for a club in the sixties, not exactly Jacques Derrida, that doesn't mean Bruce didn't make some valuable points about freedom of speech and the role of language. I wouldn't have pictured you as a philosophy snob really

I posted it because it demonstrates the point I was making that it is ridiculous and counter-productive to be precious about words.

 

lets also be clear that there are two different words being mixed up. i would never, ever, ever use the word ****** for anything. i'll leave using that word to the hands of Chris Rock. but the word nigga (though derived from the previous word) is different. it is colloquial slang at best. in one of the jobs i held previous, i worked with a lot of guys from the inner city and they all (about 95% of them were black or hispanic) would call each other "niggas" most of the time. i got called "mommy" as that is a term of endearment hispanic guys use for women.

yeah, it makes me roll my eyes when wiggers (white guys trying to act like their street) say that themselves. but honestly, i don't see a problem using any term like that with friends, be they white, black, hispanic, etc. again it is a matter of context and the way you are intending it to be used.

also, on here, i really just thought we were all having a bit of a laugh.

i don't think anyone (if they read the whole context of the posts) would think a one of us was actually rascist. whether you think it is unfortunate it or not the use of the word "nigga" has most definitely crept back into society thanks to rap/hip-hop. it's part of the urban culture and is a word "re-claimed" by a large number of black people to give the term a more positive slant instead of just the deep south sort of inbred rascism slant the term it is derived from has.

but anyway...

 

are you flowery moo-moo or muumuu?

 

That is a sexy muumu but it lacks curves.

I like rolls.

 

Some people not up to speed with the inner-city culture will still find the use of the word by a whitey as offensive and rascist even if spoken by someone they might call friend.

lithium argues that continual use of hate words will eventualy negate their offensiveness, I do agree this would be the case, some of us just have to hold onto our hats in the meantime. I will struggle though at laughing along with the rascists instead of arguing against them, or for that matter determining who is and who isn't.
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This thread is so derailed niggers.

 

There's a big girl.

You were enlightened as to how some people greet then we have a discussion from that, anything else you needed to know ?
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I can't stand the word ******, I hate it. I hate the way people say it to each other, like it's cool and you're in some KREW...fucking twats.

But I am not offended by it, as kids at school overused it and therefore it became meaningless to me...kinda like Jew in South Park.

 

This seems to have been blown out of all proportion. I did have an inkling of what was being said, 'supp nigga', the penny dropped when we began talking about 'blud' and what have you. What did confuse me was when people started to describe how they greet eachother by the terms and meant it sincerely, which is how I read it, straight from the downtown streets of L.A. or New York, via the DVD or gangsta rap track! This isn't about racism because of the words used but more to do with how people are identifying with themselves, excusing those who were being facetious.

At first I was stupidly thinking it was a colloquialism that must have spread without me ever hearing it, possible. "Been in there those hills for a lifetime bouye!"

"Yeah, squeal like a pig! Bouye."

 

Yep I entirely agree, the word has split off into new meanings, like "gay" is doing now. Though to be honest I still like using it because it still has this ambiguity and the power of so many associations. It's at the edges where words are actually evolving in their meaning that the really interesting stuff happens.

Yes, it was being used here as a joke, and a joke gets its power precisely from a rich background of associations and ambiguities of meaning.

Though I do find your use of the word wigger offensive, blud.

 

No thattt's d'just the spweech impeth'iment.

 

For real bro...

:tongue:

 

English people are worthy of my hatred.

I'm moving to scotland.

 

Thank you very much and gord bless ya, ma' lady.*Dips cap*

 

well that is what my black ex-husband used to call them. *shrugs*

 

That's got me thinking about just where and when I first heard ****** used. And I think it was the film 'Menace II Society' back when I was 10 maybe. It was used quite a bit in the flick and there is one point when one of the characters comes out and says, look we've gotta stop using such words.

That guy was Muslim and was saying it while also trying to keep a group of friends from drinking alcohol at a party. So the main characters (who I thought were some cool cats at the time) mocked him for preaching such 'rubbish'.

So when I was introduced to the word it wasn't in a hateful or racist way. But actually more of a greeting used amongst black American's.

Now I'm not saying "and that's the bottom line, it's fine" or anything like that. But say some 10 year old today watches 'Shaun of the Dead' and hear's Nick Frost's character saying 'Sup Niggers' and just finds it funny and starts using it, I don't think it would be exactly right to tell them to stop. To tell them that the word means this or that when all they know of it is a greeting from a film.

So aye, more to ponder on anyway

 

You're all wankers.