How exactly will Gay Marriage harm Marriage as an Institution?

'cause from the way i see it, encourging people to marry would strengthen marriage...

 

I agree completely with you Shane. HOW can some gay people being allowed to marry effect ME or any other hetero's marriage? IT DOESN'T. The Right says stuff like this to scare non thinking, Right leaning Walmart shopping, Nascar watching fools. And the technique often works. I have also heard that "the next step is allowing people to marry animals." HOW ridiculous! There is not link between gays and bestiality (although many nonthinkers would like you to think there is) but again, it scares a certain segment of the population.

It is similar to the Pat Robertson quote :"Feminism causes women to leave their husbands, kill their children, become lesbians and practice witchcraft." Things like this are used to SCARE people, cause INTOLERANCE and bring in votes for "traditional values." (Thing is, RIght Wing institutions actually make it HARDER for families, but they think TELLING people they are "profamily" (despite the fact that their proBig Business, anti-employment benefit, keep people so poor that they HAVE to have two incomes to support a family DESTROYS families) makes it true. It simply does not. If the RIght is SO "profamily" why aren't they instituting more policies to help womyn stay home and raise their children, rather than being pushed into the work force to make ends meet, neccesitating dumping babies in day care? Simple. They don't REALLY care about your family or mine, they just want to scare enough people with lies and exaggerations to get votes.

My dh and I have a strong marriage. People who cheat on their spouses or get divorced don't have a effect on our marriage, why would gay people getting married? It makes NO sense. But it scares enough people who refuse to or are unable to think it though to get support for Right Wing hyperbole.

 

We've been through this before here. Gay activists in Europe have made no secret of their contempt for traditional marriage and the nuclear family:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/660zypwj.asp

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/126qodro.asp

http://www.leaderu.com/marco/marriage/index.html

 

So what Huck??

who gives a fuck if some gay people dont like hetero married people??

why should they have too?

if you are allowed to hate their lifestyle, then they are more then allowed to hate yours.

grow the fuck up Huck. Not everyone has to like what others do and they can even voice their whiny opinions on it.BUT UNLIKE YOU THE THOSE GAY PEOPLE ARENT TRYING TO LEGALLY END YOUR LIFESTYLE.


You are married right? Have gay people effected your marriage? I mean on a seriously level??

have they effected your marriage any more then the thousands of straight couples who disgraced the marriage union with infedelity or get married in Vegas and divorce the next day or get married for Green Cards????


Have they Huck???

 

I don't want to abolish their lifestyle, but I don't want to promote and foster it, either. Read the articles.

 

First two articles are quite interesting.

I'll have to look into this more.

 

i have no idea why gay people shouldn't get married if they want to. i've yet to hear one single valid argument against it. why should gay people be worried of the conservative christian's idea of the sanctity of marriage? WTF? there IS NO sanctity of marriage. but no one is telling non-christian hetero's that it will shortly be ILLEGAL to get a divorce. it's all just nonsense.

 

I say civil unions to everyone, gay and hetero alike. Then we won't have people getting pissed over the 'sanctity' of marrage being affected. Besides, being that marrage is technically a religious institution, and there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, should the government have anything to do with the process at all?

 

i don't think it will harm it. I think it's some closeminded backlash

 

HuckFinn,

I don't need or want you to promote or foster my "lifestyle," I just want the same rights that you enjoy.

My "lifestyle," by the way, is one that fosters a loving, commited relationship with my partner. I think that this country would be in a better state if it did promote and foster my "lifestyle."

It's just love...

I don't do anything that your wife doesn't do...

 

None of these articles address why I should not have the same legal protection. If you want to call it something different, ie civil union, that is fine with me. I think it is weak, but if it helps narrow minded individuals sleep at night, and it protects me under the law, I am all for it.

The graph in the second article clearly demonstrates that births to unwed mothers was on the rise for 20 years before gay marriage was allowed. This problem cannot be passed off onto gays and lesbians. We are not having very many children. This has to do with culture and education. Children of single mothers are much more likely to have children out of wedlock, so of course, over time, it baloons. Look at the statistics in this country. 52% of American weddings now end in divorce. Straight people have already made a mockery of the institution of marriage. Have you heard of Brittany Spears, Elizabeth Taylor, Michael Jackson, etc.

The bottom line is, this is discrimination. You could look back even further, and say something like divorce rates increased with womens' suffrage, or teen pregnancy increased after slavery was abolished. Of course these are ridiculous statements. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

I'm with turtle on this one. Marriage is really a religious thing. Unfortunatly, this country has made it into something entirely different, therefore a law needs to be reworded one way or another. Either married people do not get special benefits, or everyone gets the same benefits.

I personally believe that none of us choose with whom we fall in love. If you have ever been in love in your life, you would grasp this simple concept. I also believe the more love going around the better. So if gay/lesbians are in love, let them be in love, and let them have the same rights that the rest of America has.

 

There are approx. 1,100 "rights" that a legally married couple have, as opposed to those couples who are in "civil unions." I believe these same "rights" should be given to gay couples, so they have the ability to nurture their families and each other.


Giving these rights to gay people is not promoting their lifestyle. It is strengthening another nuclear family unit. Is that so wrong?? I don't see these rights as "promoting" the heterosexual lifestyle......it is just promoting marriage in general, whether gay or straight.

So, Huckboy......is that quickie marriage Britney Spears had in Vegas really what marriage stands for? You really want to preserve that?? Or the reality shows on t.v. (The Bachelor/Bachelorette) that make a mockery out of marriage? And you're whining about two gay people who love each other and want to get married???? You sound like a true homophobe to me!

 

Huck is a homophobe and he hates women too.


All he cares about are unborn feti.

 

I am fully for gay marriage. There's no good reason not to support it. It's a matter of human rights.

 

The third article deals more extensively with legal arguments.

The articles clearly show that diluting the concept of marriage by redefining it in androgynous terms, severing it completely from child rearing, has made a bad situation worse. Gay "marriage" is not the cause of family dissolution, but it certainly exacerbated the problem. Again, gay activists in Europe have been quite candid in their goal of abolishing the traditional family.

Skyrocketing divorce rates and teen pregnancy are both an outgrowth of the "sexual revolution" and the advent of liberal no-fault divorce laws.

 

Fuck what you think about it.


This is America, and if ANYTHING is "American", it's the idea that, what other people do is NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS as long as you aren't physically harmed.



Keep America free for fags and bigots alike.

 

HUck, I am freinds with a LOT of GLTB people. NONE of them have any desire to "abolish" the institution of marriage among straight people. NONE. Do the dozens of gay freinds YOU have want to? WHY?

This is just part of the "they are not only different than us, they want to destroy and harm us" strategy that Right Wingers are SO fond of when they have NO argument against something they have some weird problem with.

If gay people really wanted to abolish traditional marriage none of them would want it either. Huck, you don't get it. YOU may think gays should change be just like you (ie straight), but NO gays think you or anyone else needs to be just like them. (GLTB)

 

*pulls out banjo and sings*

There was this dude named Huck Finn
He has no idea of the predicament he's in.
He is a christian white guy
who hates gays and loves feti
Maggie Sugar sought to set him straight
She knew that Huck was wrong right out the gate.
She threw her hands into the air
and kicked Huck in his derriere.
Huck just continued on
and smacked Otter for this song.


*chorus*

Hipforums oh Hipforums is really really fun
Hipforums oh hipforums is for everyone!

*second verse*

Huck continues on with his ways
whining about abortions now he's after gays.
We all sit and wonder what makes Huck so pissed
perhaps the evil jews are next on his list.
The devil went down to Georgia and Huck trailed along
to prove that it was indeed the devil that wrote this song.

*chorus*

Hipforums oh Hipforums is really really fun
Hipforums oh Hipforums is for everyone!


Hipforums is for everyone!!!!

 

Huck, I'm confused. Do you believe that all married people should have children? Do you honestly think that the only reason for people to get married is to pro-create? You don't have to get married to have a child, and you don't have to have a child when you get married. So I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying. If you believe that is the only reason to get married, then I think your value system is flawed, and it would explain a lot about you.

So if gay people are allowed to get married and file taxes as a married couple and have life/health insurance benefits, that somehow the straight people will stop having sex with each other and stop having babies? I'm not sure I see what one has to do with the other. Everyone is not going to turn gay just because we give gay people the rights that they should have had from the begining. And I'm confused, what makes the "traditional family" so great anyway, what if I want a non traditional family? What exactly is the traditional family anyway? Isn't family really just about loving one another. Either way gay people will be gay and straight people will be straight. You can't make them change by witholding their rights. I doubt you will be invited to any gay weddings, therefore you could not possibly be promoting it or fostering.

Huck I'm not sure why you are filled with so much hatred toward others but I really do find it sad. I really do try to hear you out, and I can say that you come up with some good arguements, just nothing that I can ever agree with as being truth. Perhaps you are unhappy in your own marriage and that is why you don't want anyone else to be happy. Perhaps you are a closet gay man, too ashamed to even admit it to yourself. I don't know what your problem is, but again I find it sad that you can't be happy about anything, most of all about love. You remind me of my father. I've had this exact discussion with him in the past.

Otter, I love the song! That is exactly what I needed to get me through the rest of this crazy day!