9/11 Documentaries

What proof Rat???

What fucking proof???

would you please provide a credible source that isnt from some paranoid uberlib website???

could you please provide a source that isnt just the opinion of someone who is likeminded with you???


I'm serious here....you always do this Rat...make blanket statements like you are the only person in America with the real facts and that anyone who doesnt 100% agree with you or your nutso website sources is automatically brainwashed by Bush and O'Reilly.

Huck does this shit too only from a conservative side.

Megalomania is not an attractive quality.

 

I'm in an incredibly pissy mood and I dont know why.

probably PMS.

*goes to the kitchen for chocolate*

 

Well, la di da.

And why is that? One word, one cause for that: Bush.

Now, I'm not saying countries didn't hate us before Bush, because that would just be bullshit, but Bush sped the process.

True.

True as well, but as a comedian once said, Osama releases more videos than Jay-Z. I mean, I think all those videos except the first were just American propoganda.

We all know that.

Any religion that influences violence is not a religion, it's just a damn cult. That's freaky shit.

When the fuck did I say I was right or factual?!! Can someone tell me when I said that?!! I said in my reply to your smug comments my views were theories only and I never asked people to believe me! Read better you knucklehead!

That line is cliche, already. Even I've said that. Learn a new song.

With our government nothing is ever simple or one-tracked. With our government there's always a catch. Oh, well I remember you dont listen to the conspiracy vomit.

"Paradise" is just incentive to get these idiots to follow them.

True.

Ah, once again very mature. And you heard more, eh? I forget how delusional and egotistic people on these politics boards can be. Well, fuck it all, you're right.

Very poetic.

As the shoe bomb guy proved.

You're twisting my words, idiot. I never said they were brainwashed, I said I thought the government let this shit happened, never once did I say they were brainwashed, oh but you're the prime informative on this. I forgot.

Now you're freud all of a sudden. Okay, whatever.

How many times have I read and heard this line on TV?

How cliche and trite an observation.

Well, go ahead and respond once more with your moronic name calling and immature replies.

 

Oh, too late Pressed Rat, she's on you now.

You need to get laid and bad.

 

Egomaniacal delusions do that to you.

 

I'm just gonna drop it Terminal...you and I wont EVER see eye to eye on this.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a born-again christian and not really worth the headache.

you go on ahead and think whatever you want...it doesnt effect me one bit offline...your just a name on a screen.

I'd rather debate with Laughinwillow...atleast she's remotely interesting and doesnt just dismiss things as "cliches"...she'd give an actual retort.

but you arent her and I know now not to hold you on the same level as someone like her.

have a good night.I hope you dont lose any sleep over this because that would be both sad and silly.

 

LMAO. Okay, good night sweety pie. I throw good karma your way, you may not be the brightest bulb in the box, but I appreciate your balls.

 

This one I have heard of, but I have not actually seen. A friend emailed me info on this one along with some pictures that were taken of the Pentagon. Along with the fact that there was no wreckage, the lawn right in front of where the "plane" hit is beautiful and green. Not what one would expect to see when a plane carrying mega gallons of jet fuel plows into a building. I mean there was no indication of any burning on the ground anywhere.....The pictures also included one of the plane that hit the south tower with supposedly the "pod", but, the picture is not very clear and it is hard to tell what the heck is there. I'll check with the friend who sent me this info and see if he knows anymore. I seem to remember that he mentioned quite a few.

 

The proof is out there, and in quantity. It's a matter of not listening to everything Dan Rather and Wolf Blitzer say, and going and doing some real research that enables you to think for yourself and not believe everything you have been told by the mainstream media, which is owned (hence controlled) largely by the US military-industrial complex.

First of all, you're under a false impression in assuming that I am a liberal, let alone an "uber-liberal." I have stated countless times that I despise terms like "liberal" and "conservative" because all they do is paint cliches. I am very non-partisan (I hate Democrats and Republicans equally), and I know corruption when I see it. And unlike most people, I can see that it transcends this left-wing/right-wing paradigm.

If you want a site that links you to articles providing the evidence you're looking for, check out http://www.fromthewilderness.com. This site is run by a man named Michael C. Ruppert, a former narcotics investigator for the LAPD when he was fired for attempting to expose the CIA/drug-trade connection. The guy has since written several books on government coverups and the New World Order, and has released several documentaries. Fourty members of the US congress, and members of the intelligence committes of BOTH houses, have subscriptions to his website which is helping to uncover the shit that really goes on, that we don't get to see on the evening news.

And if you think it's only liberals that are on to the neocon's schemes, you're wrong! Many of the people embarked on this 9/11 truth movement are actually diehard conservatives. There is a difference between true conservatism and neo-conservatism, which is overtaking this country due to a very complex conditioning that is occuring via the mainstream media.

http://www.infowars.com features links to, and taken from, MAINSTREAM PUBLICATIONS, ranging from Reuters to CNN, pointing to prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, as well as evidence that points to many discrepancies and unanswered questions.

Be sure to check out the INTERVIEWS section!

And PLEASE, actually look at it before you go shouting off like you know it all.

And as I mentioned above, http://www.fromthewilderness.com. This also features links to various mainstream sources, and articles taken from various publications.

That's the way you see it, perhaps.

 

That's the first time I've seen someone provide links for their points. Maybe now Otter will shut up.

 

The real question to me is how to get this information to the forefront. I've been aware of PNAC for a long time and remember the passage stating that the only way the US people would justify an invasion of Iraq would be a national catostrophe on the level of Pearl Harbor. 9/11 fits the bill, and I will pursue this information further. Thanks for the links Matt, always appreciated.


I'd just like greater questions. I'd just like to know why there isn't a congressman who believes in this, who doesn't get some balls and stand up and say hey people, take a look at this. Then again, the american public is so brainwashed right now, I bet the majority of people wouldn't believe the government was responsible himself if the president himself stood up and said - yep, mea culpa.

 

Again, I do not consider myself to be a liberal. I am an Independent voter with a libertarian mindset.

Well, you apparantly believe that a bunch of terrorists simply took over four planes by themselves and orchestrated an event as big as the one we saw on that day, without any inside help.

And perhaps rightfully so. I am not condoning it either.

Look, there is no doubt that many of them want to harm us. So let's lay that out on the table already.

Right, and that is the simplistic conclusion you came to after watching Scarborough Country. Osama hates Americans, but I am sure he loves the money he has received from us over the years, to fund his evil.

Yes, it was that simple, I am sure. It's an easy train of thought to buy into, so I guess I will. I don't want to expend any effort to think any deeper than what you just presented, which is obviously not only the truth, but the extent of it as well.

Yes, so what is your fucking point? We have already come to the conclusion that they hate us and they want to wipe us all out so they can live in their perfect world.

This still doesn't mean that they pulled off the 9/11 attacks by themselves.

If you find relevance in that, so be it.

YES! This is very true. I will wholeheartedly agree with you there. To simply buy into ANYTHING without question is sheepish. Those who buy into the fact that Bush spreads lies, like the Partiot Act is intended to "protect us," is just as bad as the MORONS who believe every half-baked conspiracy theory spouted by sundry conspiracy theorists on the web.

Well, look at some of the atrocities that have been committed by Americans on the Islamic people. There are two sides to every story, one of which is usually overlooked.

Another overused chorus line???

Enough already!

Basically, that's what it is! Blood-thirsty Christian extremists against blood-thirtsy Muslim extremists. Is one any better than the other, or are they both the same when you boil it all down?

What makes it asinine? Because you've been conditioned and brainwashed into thinking that our country could never do something so harmful to its own people, when there are actual documents from the late 1950's/early 1960's which were part of Project Northwoods, which outlined a plot to attack American cities and blame it on the Cubans as a pretext for war! This really happened! The documents are out there! This isn't conspiracy theory, which I LOATE! Look it up if you don't believe me! Just google it!

The thing that prevented the events highlighted in Project Northwoods from happening was President Kennedy - a man who actually stood for the people - getting word of it. Not much later he was killed, by whom I assume you believe was Lee Harvey Oswald and not the corrupt CIA.

*shakes head*

Oh, not again.

I agree!

Nobody said that. The thing that baffles me is how they pulled it off, then you look at the evidence that points to our defences being DELIBERATELY off that day.

I spit on you for not looking deeper than what meets the eye.

Tell me something I don't know! But again, what is your point?

 

Oh, but there are. MANY, to be exact!

The people who have stood up and spoken out have been either silenced or ignored. I am sure there are others who are keeping quiet in fear of losing their jobs.

Trust me, there are more people out there who know what is going on than you think. It's only a matter of time before the truth is exposed, be it 5 years from now or 50 years from now.

In Alex Jones' documentary, titled Matrix of Evil, he interviews two congressmen who have not only watched his documentaries, but are in absolute agreement with him. One is Congressman Ron Paul (R - Texas), and the other is Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D - Georgia). On this video, Jones actually interviews both of them at length about what they believe happened on 9/11, and their views are almost the same as mine.

 

Thanks for the links, I have felt that we were responsible for the attacks from just a few months after they happened. It makes me so frustrated that this isn't examined by mainstream media. I've never had "proof", but just always a gut feeling. I'll look at these links and send them on, I know lots of people who are interested.
After the attacks, for maybe two or three days I was like "Screw you Osama, we should go to war!". But I came to my senses shortly after and was really actually disgusted by all the patriotism displayed by everyone, it was stupid.

 

I have repeatedly provided links to many solid point by point reviews of the glaring inconsistencies in the coverstory only to receive the stock in trade dismissal of those who are so indoctrinated by the "our government could never willfully harm its own people" dogma.

If you want to read of the impossibility of buildings collapsing due to jet fuel (which CANNOT reach temperatures necessary to melt steel however much people would like to believe it can) or of the fact that none of the supposed hijacking pilots could even fly a single engine piper cub let alone a commercial jumbo jet (again let alone do aerial maneuvres clearly requiring military piloting skills), then go back and slog through the previous threads.

All I see here is the very same back and forth i spent the earlier part of August having with PB, Max and Otter.

Believing the laughably bogus coverstory is the real conspiracy theory. Korans and passports which just happen to be left in cars in airport parking lots, flight paths and schedules to Boston (from whence to catch the fated flights) which are ridiculously inefficient and no hallmark of the "professionalism" claimed of these supposed hijackers, etc..

The objective mind which sits down and actually starts scrutinising the official line will see how ridiculously flimsy and based on amazing claims of "evidence" just being left lying about in abandoned huts and parked cars and (the cherry on the cake) on the sidewalk just blocks away from a smoldering WTC...

Anyone actually believing such transparently contrived rubbish are the ones who should be called the "tinfoil hat" loonies.

 

PATRIOT Act (i.e. loss of civil liberties / more control)
War in Iraq (ability to attack a sovergn nation without provocation)

 

nevermind my link is down.

 

Read the PNAC report which forms the central pillar of this neo-con coup's governing doctrine and youll see precisely what they have long awaited the opportunity to gain, Geo-political hegemony and a never ending war with which to feed endless sums of tax dollars to the great MIC furnace.

 

OK, here we go...



This is the most factually based review of the events surrounding 9/11 that I have ever seen.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

 

No videos, but a couple of sites that were sent to me are listed below. Sorry if the hyperlinks don't come thru...I haven't yet figured out how to do that. There may be info about video there. One site, Rense.com is a bit out there in my opinion, there are pixs and the ptpi.net site...and a good arguement...


http://Rense.com
http://ptpi.net/_home.html
http://LETSROLL911.ORG