Anarcho-primitivism/the unabomber???? wha?

anybody in the stoners lounge have any thoughts on this? I'm reading Theodore Kaczynski's (you know,unabomber) book called 'Industrial Society and it's Future'. this guy is freaking crazy, but he makes a few good points.

He is all about overthrowing the industrial powers and reverse civilization to it's most primitive, hunter-gatherer form. he's a crazy fucker

Anarcho-primitivism makes some sense( a little bit), but it's completely ridiculous to ever see any sort of backwards social/technological movement like they want. De-industrialization will never happen, but I WOULD like to see the end result and live in very local, primitive, *agricultural society. Then again, I would hate to see the loss of technology and the economic system that we have built.

I agree with him that we are an oversocialized, overindustrialized nation, but I don't think there's any way to change it. People are too attached to the benefits of a collectively sustaining society.

well this is probably over a few people's heads, but i'm sure there's a few heady folks that have an opinion on it.

here's the book/article if you want to read it:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Industrial_Society_and_Its_Future

 

it has some postive aspects in theory, but anarcho-primitivism, like you said, runs counter to human nature. I'm not crazy about either state of affairs anyway.

 

actually, come to think of it, I can't think of one "positive aspect" of anarcho-primitivism. it's a ridiculous idealogy. just the fact that the most vocal enthusiast of it was the unibomber speaks volumes.

 

I think a primitive lifestyle would be great. Psychologically speaking, we're not fully adjusted to the lifestyle of the 20th century. Besides i guess it's just being a hippie, but I'd love to be self-sustaining hunter/gatherer. grow your own weed and whatnot. I'm too high to give you a good response, so i'll continue tomorrow.

 

hmm seems interesting, i may have to pick it up

 

the only advantages of a civilized socity are health/safety, and leisure. The only reason people would refuse to live a primitive lifestyle is because they are too attached to their computers, coffee machines, tvs, cars, dildos, electricity, etc. We didn't evolve to be collectively sustaining, and a lot of people develop psychological problems because of this. Strange as it sounds, a lot of depression, anxiety, and related disorders can be explained by the way humans interact in today's society. It's not the way we are meant to be. We're oversocialized, Kaczynski had a point there.

I would trade off the life I have for a primitive one in a heartbeat. I already make food from what I can forage from the woods (root tea, berries, bark, etc.). I already grow my own foods, etc. x

DJ, I would definately read that article. It's really provocative. Kaczynski was a fuckin genius! He entered Harvard at age 16. Really was a waste of such brilliant intellect, why use a gift like that for terrorism? ffff i don't understand people.

 

That's pretty out there man. I'm gonna have to check that out

 

I'm down for anarcho-primitism and have lived this lifestyle at different points in my life and plan to in the future. I just enjoy living like an animal/for myself. To me its much more personally satisfying to be as independent as humanly possible. (of course I'm not including being independent of things like air, water, instinct, etc)

However, on a mass scale it would never work. Too many people for everyone to agree on one point, that is why we are having this discussion right now. We want something different and I'm 100% sure that if everyone were anarcho-primitive instead of industrialised there would still be large dissent. It's human nature to rebel and want something different. Stagnancy leads to curiosity which leads to change. People are too different and have formed deep levels of attachment to things and that alone would prevent much of the population from survival if a switch were to take place.

I'd suggest reading more than the unibomber's thoughts on the subject, I'm judging him, but there are others (and even your own minds can come up with information) that have said/written things with more relavence to your own life.

 

i think that so much of our problems and feelings of discontent come from this construct we've created that we are somehow different from nature. or at least its a major factor. we place ourselves (as humans) outside of the "natural world" without really understanding what "it" encompasses. i celebrate the confusion and total unbelievability of life on earth...

anarcho-primitism, though this is the first place ive heard about it like this, seems cool. i mean these organizational structures aren't going to decompose so fast, but who are we to say de-industrialization will never happen? im not saying it will, just that there's A LOT of paths for the world to take, ya know? we (humans) have tendencies for many different types of lifestyles.