drugs - idiocy or insight?

There's a story from George Orwell's time in Burma where he talks about a friend who every night without fail would take opium and experience the most profound realisations in his dreams. He was sure he'd discovered the meaning of life, but every morning he would've forgotten what it was he had learned during the night. So one night he decided to take a notepad and a pen to bed with him to write down some of his realisations. On waking up the following morning he discovered he had written: "the banana is big, but its skin is bigger".

It's received hippy wisdom that drug taking is a pathway to opening new doors of perception, to gaining insights about existence.

The thoughts you have certainly seem new and incredible, but are you just making yourself go silly in the head so that the simplest and stupidest things confuse you and make you think you've discovered something when really, you've just turned into an idiot?

 

It's all bollocks if you ask me. I have no problem with people who are honest and will admit they take drugs to have a good time. But I think it's lunacy to kid yourself that you're opening a pathway to a higher spiritual plane. I've been on mushrooms and my mind has told me I've ascended into heaven and communed with the earth spirit, whatever that is. Other times I've taken mushrooms and my mind has told me I've shat my pants. There's a reason why shamans in the Americas took mushrooms to commune with their gods - because they make you see things that don't exist! I get tired of this spiritualist crap, it sounds like a kid's fantasy to me....

 

not quite the same with ecstasy though is it. You have that moment - whre everything is so clear to you and in the morning and for quite a while after youy realise how true it was.

Dope realisations are good but the nature of dope is you dont remember them
ecstasy - you remember a lot

can I just say I love ecstasy - the realisations of ecstasy are vivid and true an you remember them formonths and years sometimes

 

Have you seen Human Traffic? I think the film hits the nail on the head where people are talking about what they think is the deepest, most intense thing in the world, then when they start to come down they're like, "What the fuck were we talking about and who the fuck are you?"

 

It depends.

Yeah it's true the crazy intense visuals you see on psychedelics aren't 'real' (whatever 'real' is), like you might see really intense 'inter-dimensional beings' or some other bollocks coming out the walls, but trips do have strong themes and meanings burried beneath all the 'illusions' (all the introspective thoughts, the out of body experiences, the visuals)...It can bring lots of really deep shit you are feeling to the surface and it's reflected in the visuals you have and the type of trip you have...You can't deny it on those nightmarish introspective-as-fuck acid comedowns where you just can't sleep because you are analysing ever single part of your life from past to present...
And you know there was tonnes of research going on into the use of psychedelics to treat ceratin types of psychological disorders, depression in the right settings and under strict supervision in the 60's. And recently there's been a resurgence of this research. I believe it's possibly a reason why these unique types of drugs were made illegal in the first place (think about it, they are generally non-addictive and actually work, as opposed to more profitable and addictive drugs such as benzodizapams)...
Fine, you may think this is "tripped out hippie bullshit" or whatever. But I think certain psychedelics have really massive potential in psychotherapy...
Basically our minds are hardwired to filter out and seperate 'sensory data' from our environment in order to survive/hunt food/perform ceratin tasks, these drugs probably remove those filters, and hence we "trip", a lot of it is total bollocks, but some of it we are experiencing the world in a whole new perspective without filters which means we can gain a new perspective on ceratin events and relationships in our lives....For some this might be considered a 'spiritual experience', others maybe not, depend son your definition.
Personally psychedelics are about the only drugs i've never had issue with. I've always been really careful with them, treated them with respect. But it's always been eye opening, and i'd definitely say a few trips were 'life changing' in that it totally opened me up too new ideas I never once thought possible, made me realise characteristics about my realtionships I never previously noticed etc If you want to call that 'spiritual', then yeah okay a few trips really have really deeply touched me spiritually and i've been able to reintergrate those experiences into my life.
But that said, if people are looking for "enlightenment" through psychedelics, they are barking up the wrong tree.
I mean sure, I can totally understand what all the eastern philosophies are getting at when i'm on a high dose of acid or shrooms, I even meditate myself as much as possible, but I know for a fact as insightful and powerful as psychedelics are when used wisely they are never going to make me realise some sort of spiritual "enlightenment"...

Gotta keep it in perspective...

 

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drugs firstly herb aint a drug its a herb man ........make sure you dont stick any paxo on yer sunday dinner man ......what fuckin wankers

 

HAHAHA, "The banana is big, but it's skin is bigger", that just about sums it up man. I can't even explain why it does, but I know that makes a lot of snense!

 

all bollocks robot man

 

Hey, I'm a cold hearted scientist man. Empiricism not epiphany, that's me....

 

boo

 

and yer big words dont move me man..........scientific bollocks with no soul who feels no injustice sad man .......... .......

 

That's harsh man, I have an opinion. I'm happy to respect yours, please respect mine....

 

harsh nah sal your whole post was harsh man your opinion yes so why was my opinion harsh ?.......prove what yer say man or shut the fuck up .

 

Perhaps I over stated my case for controvercy's sake. I didn't mean to offend you or your beliefs man, sorry if I did. Peace pipe?

 

Hallucinating from psychedelics only occurs in the lower mental levels (dosage independent) of all possible experiences. Hallucinations have been referred to as "noise" in the experience, if you haven't got past it, then you haven't really seen anything. Any claimed reality is subjective and only an opinion, as none have been proven scientifically or otherwise.

 

drugs are the only way to LIVE! live the high life my friends, get high!!! yippieee!!

 

Only a drug crazed maniac could write that...high five man! haha....I've had a great idea that i've conjoured up during a mushroom dance! Honestly...it's very cool indeed and when i've completed this idea you'll know that only a drug binge could create such splendour. The idiots are those who can't remember any of their experiences......aka wasters....the genius's take great lessons from these experiences....idiocy or isight? Depends on the outcome of the high, which usually sepends on intellect I reCKon. Man i'm wasted. Wait til you see my idea though...

 

LOL, should have known better than to post this question on a forum where half the users are tripping their nuts off

 

ahaha yes!