Terrorism Is Alien to Islam

Discussion in 'Islam' started by Patience, Sep 22, 2006.

  1. Patience

    Patience Member

    Messages:
    111
    Likes Received:
    1
    Terrorism and extremism are alien to Islam. We do agree with you that these phenomena are un-Islamic, and all religions and systems suffer from them. Muslims precede others in calling for tolerance, dialogue, peace, justice, and moderation. The Qur'an calls Muslims "moderate people," so moderation is the right course that mainstream Muslims follow.

    Elaborating on Islam's stance of terrorism and extremism, the Fiqh Council of North America issued the following fatwa:
    The Fiqh Council of North America wishes to reaffirm Islam's absolute condemnation of terrorism and religious extremism.
    Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives.

    There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram (forbidden) and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not "martyrs."

    The Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, states: (Whoever kills a person [unjustly] … it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind )(Al-Ma'idah 5:32).

    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said there is no excuse for committing unjust acts: "Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil" (At-Tirmidhi).

    God mandates moderation in faith and in all aspects of life when He states in the Qur’an: (We made you to be a community of the middle way, so that (with the example of your lives) you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind ) (Al-Baqarah 2:143).

    In another verse, God explains our duties as human beings when He Almighty says: (Let there arise from among you a band of people who invite to righteousness, and enjoin good and forbid evil ) (Aal `Imran 3:104).

    Islam teaches us to act in a caring manner to all of God's creation. Prophet Muhammad, who is described in the Qur’an as "a mercy to the worlds" said, "All creation is the family of God, and the person most beloved by God (is the one) who is kind and caring toward His family."

    In the light of the teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah we clearly and strongly state:

    1. All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam.

    2. It is haram for a Muslim to cooperate with any individual or group that is involved in any act of terrorism or violence.

    3. It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to protect the lives of all civilians.
    We issue this fatwa following the guidance of our scripture, the Qur’an, and the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). We urge all people to resolve all conflicts in just and peaceful manners.

    We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism. We pray for the safety and security of our country, the United States, and its people. We pray for the safety and security of all inhabitants of our planet. We pray that interfaith harmony and cooperation prevail both in the United States and all around the globe.
     
  2. BeaverKoffi

    BeaverKoffi Member

    Messages:
    639
    Likes Received:
    0
    Of course it isnt... wtf would that be crazy religio nfor crazy maniacs ??? of course not.

    But the ones who made up story of going to heaven if you blow ur self are very smart people, and knew their surroundings and condition of peopel/ look how many blow themselves now.... it works. and its good if it works.
     
  3. bamboo

    bamboo Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    451
    Likes Received:
    0
    Maybe somebody needs to tell that to the Muslims....
     
  4. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,117
    Likes Received:
    8
    if islam is so moderate
    why are there no churches in saudi or no jews there, what happened to all the jews that used to live there if mohammed didnt kill them all .

    you dont need to tell non muslims how moderate islam is go to afghanistan and lots of other countrys and tell the muslims there who kill you if you want to change your religion how moderate they should be.

    you may well be a nice person but you dont understand your religion
     
  5. ElProximo

    ElProximo Banned

    Messages:
    342
    Likes Received:
    0
    Terrorism is native to Islam.
    Its one of the founding principles in Islam and Muhammed himself was a terrorist.
    It praises terror.
    Fortunately, most Muslims are like most Christians or Buddhists (etc) in the sense that not all 'really' practice their principle and many more are 'liberal' or take their religion very seriously.
    In the case of Muslims, its actually GOOD that most dont follow its direct teachings.
    Otherwise the world would be non-stop terrorism day and night.
     
  6. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,375
    Likes Received:
    1
    Bullshit !!!!
    Then why are suicide bombers treated like royalty in palestine and why do the Pakistanis harbour bin laden - why are the afghans beginning to exact revenge on each other - how come the Koran is quite specific about stoning people to death - how come you reference Yusef whatever his name is so much - is it because you think that some honky or jew that converted to islam is a prime peice of propogandist bullshit ?? he was a crap folk artist anyway !!
     
  7. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

    Messages:
    1,892
    Likes Received:
    5
    Muhammad, born 570, was an Arab caravan leader prior to his famous revelation. He married his client, Khadija, in 595. In 610 Muhammad had a magnificent vision in which he spoke to Number One for some time, and wrote down his revelation as the Koran. Muslims believe that the Koran is not the word of Muhammad, but the direct word of God, and that Muhammad is only his slave and humble Messenger.


    Muhammad was not only a prophet, but a general, and used his own army to conquer Mecca from Medina. He was no stranger to the sword. For example,
    The Battle of Khaybar (628) between Muhammad and the Jews of Khaybar (an oasis near Medina) resulted in the defeat of the later. The Banu Nadir had moved here three years earlier, and this time most of their male members were killed. Their wives and property became spoils of war for the Muslims. Muhammad took a share of the spoils, and took Safiyya bint Huyayy, the widow of the tribe's slain treasurer as his wife. (source: www.wikipedia.com, Muhammad in Medina)




    So it is clear that Muhammad was not only a killer, but also a rapist. Killing a woman's husband and then 'taking her to wife', so to speak, is not exactly consensual sex.


    Sunnis and Shiites don't get along, since Shiites consider a coup d'etat against Caliph Ali ibn Abu Talib, Muhammad's son-in-law, to have been illegal. (Someone please tell me what 'legal' and 'illegal' are in this history.) Ali obtained rule of some, but not all of Muhammad's followers upon Muhammad's death in 632. Sunnis consider the rule of the Ummayad caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, who preceeded Ali, to have been legal. Apparently Caliph Ali was a bad actor who murdered a lot of his own troops. None of these guys was exactly Mother Teresa.
    Apparently the Koran was short enough and straight forward enough that it could be used by illiterate tribal peoples having only oral traditions available. The moral precepts of the Koran were just what seventh century Arabs could find useful and apply to daily living. Muhammad had no use for Christians right from the start, and neither did his followers.

    *.......... *.......... *​
    As for terrorism, it mostly depends on your point of view whether someone is a terrorist or a freedom fighter. Not too many people have clean hands these days. In my personal situation I'm able to get by quite well without violence, but I can't speak to someone else's situation and come up with a lot of definite stuff about who's right and who's wrong. In a conflict, both sides should be considered carefully. Most truces and all lasting treaties are based on compromise.
     
  8. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

    Messages:
    17,642
    Likes Received:
    10
    haha me too :)
     
  9. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

    Messages:
    17,642
    Likes Received:
    10
    That's a shame! I wonder if I am the last Muslim on the forums then :D :tongue:
     
  10. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

    Messages:
    17,642
    Likes Received:
    10
    So I've noticed lol :) Well, when I get some time I will brighten this place up
     
  11. Maryslittlebrat

    Maryslittlebrat Member

    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    0
    yea I think most people know this who aren't media brainwashed into this whole Islam=terrorist show
    witches, commies, and terrorists oh my

    peace, God bless
     
  12. sentient

    sentient Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,718
    Likes Received:
    1
    Point being though that its really modern life V's a few people leaping about in some stonage ritual proclaiming that allahs love is the way forward - ha ha ha ha ha ha
    You know what - the bow and arrow is not mightier than the gun and a few schizophrenic cavemen provlaiming a fatwa and declaring they know the will of god - none of that crap will beat a well trained army from the futuristic west - religion and islam in particular is over ! next is christianity and judaism
     
  13. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

    Messages:
    1,892
    Likes Received:
    5
    Point being that Muhammad was a killer and a rapist. (See my posting above)
    Next to that fact, who cares whether Abu Bakr (Sunni hero) or Ali (Shiite hero and Muhammad's son-in-law) was the heir to the Faith? They were both shitbirds.

    None of this means that in the twenty-first century, western shitbirds have the right to go around the world and lord over middle-eastern shitbirds. Yankee, go home!
     
  14. Squirrel

    Squirrel Member

    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    0
    CatStevens left? Too bad, I liked him.
     
  15. Phrensied Rabbits

    Phrensied Rabbits Member

    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    0
    Oh, yeah.
    Great guy.
    Got banned quite a long time ago, I believe.
    Don't quite remember when.
    I must've been away at the time.
    I definitely miss him being around.

    Salaam
     
  16. Ali_bin_Abi_Talib

    Ali_bin_Abi_Talib Member

    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have acouple of points to make.

    First, Jonny said about there being no Jews or Christians in Saudi is kinda wrong. There are plenty of christians in Saudi, albeit they are not arabs most of the time and come to work with the oil companies. There are plenty of jews in Yemen, directly south of Saudi.

    Second, MANY MANY MANY shaykhs have come up with fatwas against al qaida, bin laden, zarqarwi and all the rest of therm. It just seems like the west (ern media) does not want to hear about it. If anyone would like to see fatwas against terrorism, go ahead and PM me and I will send you the link.

    It is most unfortunate that many muslims have accepted "martyrdom" operations (aka suicide bombings) as legit, but look at their circumstances. A person with a good life does not all the sudden say, "I want to be a suicide bomber". The problem is and will continue to be Israel and the US. I'll save that for another post.

    I know most of you will continue to be anti islamic, and thats fine. Islam does teach tolerance, you guys are just fed a few verses of the Qu'ran that deal with warfare and figure thats all the religion is. For instance, one verse says "Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them". However, this Surah (chapter) is about warfare, what do you expect to happen in war? There is another ayah (verse) that says you can marry jews and christians. Are we then to marry jews and christians and then kill them in the kitchen, the bedroom or the backyard? Of course not. It is most unfortunate that you can't go back and check the ayat (verse) preceding or coming after the one mentioned. If Islam was just about war, we would not be having this discussion, simply because I would be in jail for killing alot of people. Along with the other 1.6 billion or more muslims in the world.

    Surat Al Kafiroon (the disbelievers) 109 (one of my favs)
    Say:"O you who disbelieve
    I worship not that which you worship
    Nor will you worship that which I worship
    And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping
    Nor will you worship that which I worship
    To you be your religion, and to me be mine.
     
  17. Ali_bin_Abi_Talib

    Ali_bin_Abi_Talib Member

    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    0
    Also, one more thing.

    Dirty Dog, Ali (RA) is a hero to sunnis and shias, shias just have a habit of worshipping and supplicating to him. I'm sunni, but my name is Ali bin Abi Talib, the full name of Ali (RA).
     
  18. England

    England Banned

    Messages:
    220
    Likes Received:
    0
    Um I thought it was "haram" to marry an "unbeliever?"
     
  19. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

    Messages:
    1,892
    Likes Received:
    5
    Since I am a Westerner and also don't have any Muslim acquaintances, my knowledge of Islamic culture is sketchy. Thanks for correcting any errors I may come up with here.

    While we're on the subject, just why is it that Sunnis and Shias don't get along? Is there an important religious point, or is it about historical and current power relationships? (European Christians of varying stripes such as Catholic and Protestant have a history of murdering one another on what seem like flimsy pretexts today.)

    One other thing. I thought that 'bin' meant 'son of'. So, 'Ali bin Abi Talib' would be 'Ali, son of Abi Talib'. It wouldn't make sense to call yourself this unless your father's name is 'Abi Talib'. Am I correct?
     
  20. Ali_bin_Abi_Talib

    Ali_bin_Abi_Talib Member

    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    0
    Dirty Dog-

    Huge difference between sunni and shia. I used to be really tolerant, but thats before I knew what Shi'ism was about.

    Basically, When Muhammad SAWS came, he destroyed all the idols being worshipped in Arabia. Arabs used to worship graves of pious people, stone carvings and trees. You name it they probably worshipped it. There were also a few christians (probably not PAULians).

    Shi'ism started as a political movement. When Muhammad SAWS died there were 2 people, Abu Bakr and Umar RA who became the successors ( In arabic Khalifa, or Caliph) When the third Caliph (Uthman RA) came into power, some people killed him and said Ali RA should be the Caliph. The people who killed Uthman were the orginal Shi'a (Shi'a is short for Shia Ali, or the supporters of Ali RA)

    Now, about 50 years later they started coming up with innovations in Islam, basically making shi'ism a different religion. They worship the grave og Hussayn RA, Ali's son and all sorts of other things. All the "holy cities" in Iraq are cities with shia shrines to dead people in them. They believe in temporary marriage, as short as 15 minutes, they believe if your wife is traveling she can marry someone else to fulfi her desires, and they curse the companions (Sahaba) of Muhammad SAWS. They go against the basic monotheism (tawheed) that was revealed by Muhammad SAWS.

    As for the name, Alis father was named Abu Talib. Sometimes people get called a "kunya ' (abu waleed, abu nasr) instead of a real name (I think, I'm actually a white convert but I get called Abu Waleed all the time.) Also, I was reading the history books and I came across a guy named Sad bin Abi Sad. Sad the son of the father of Sad. I dunno how that works.

    England-

    There are different opinions. It says clearly in the Qu'ran that a Muslim man can marry a Jew or Christian woman, but not viceversa. However, some people say that the jewish and christian religion has been changed since the time of the revelation and you can't marry them. Plenty of people do marry christians though. It might be alil hard marrying a jew with everything going on in Palestine, but hey, you never know.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice