the american soldier is a contract slave . in a more free society , each warrior will judge the merits of a war action and choose to participate or not . a warrior's primary motive is to defend family . the american soldier serves dutifully the will of government leaders who just might be stupidly insane . i hope the american warrior will fight for this freedom .
They choose to join the army and they can choose to leave when they have served how ever many years they signed up for. Of course they have to follow the direction of their boss (who doesn't), but that hardly means they are slaves. It's like saying sports players are slaves for doing what a coach tells them to do (they also have contracts), of course this has been said, though I do not agree with it.
No group of individuals has any right to perform acts of violence on others. Only an individual can actually make that decision for themselves. We are born with free will, it's only we when grant others control over our actions that issues are muddied. Athletes, soliders they are all no better than prostitutes.
Lol, so I guess if you work for anyone you are no better than a prostitute? Cause in any job you have to follow your boss's orders (unless you want to be fired).
Lol very open-minded of him, yes? I love people like him...lol I don't ignore him because all oppinions, no matter how wrong they are, how ignorant I think the person might be, or how much I dislike the person, matter. How else can you expand your mind? Even ignorant oppinions teach something.
i'd say not so much a slave but a mercenary these people do not go completely willingly to cause various outrages against humanity, they go because there is some financial reward for doing so. moreover these people are looking for a way out of poverty. if it takes the death of a million people to get somewhere in your career later on so you can at least earn some decent money when you get out (if you get out without be killed, maimed or redrafted for further duty) then so be it. why did you think the british took the german mercenaries to america to crush the revolt, is it because they where hoping to expand the tourist trade and wanted to give these people a taste of foreign travel? the main reason for most people being in the army is that they hope to gain something financially from it. if you told these people they were not going to be paid for decades to fight wars on behalf of the directors of oil companies i dare say not many people would go. you'd still have a few though, most likely unstable personalities looking for the thrill of a fight. anyway, these people looking for something most likely do harbour war loving tendencies , what would be the good of an army without these tendencies? they would be useless in battle. couple these warlike tendencies, training without discipline, war without cause and guidelines and pretty soon all hell breaks out. people do some things because they think they will get something out of it, rather like voting for george bush.
well if you were a christian then you would understand that the roman soldiers were just doing their job too. by our reasoning it is perfectly acceptable to commit crimes as long as it was for financial reward. by your reply i can only judge from your silence on the moral implications that you accept this to be acceptable?
What? lol I just left the forums to go to bed, that's why I was silent (unelss you aren't talking about me lol). I never said it was acceptable to commit crimes because of rewards. Please find where I said that. I was just saying that if soldiers are mercanaries because they hope to gain rewards from their job then most people are also mercenaries. I mean you get paid at your job right? So there you go. Even a volunteer can gain rewards, not monetary rewards, but rewards such as a sense of accomplishment by helping others, etc.
Actually self employed. Too bad we can't all be. And it took me years to reach this point. The few always hope to benefit from the labor of the many. I've reached a point where I don't work for anyone but myself. And I also am not out to manipulate the work of others. I survive on my own work. Asking and paying for labor to produce something is one thing. Asking to own the minds and souls of employees even off duty like Walmart does is just another world for enslavement.
Yes it does, because I didn't allow myself to be used in that way. Sorry if you new generations feel it's worth it. Having a DVD or cell phone, etc. isn't worth it to me to accept the views of another without question. If you are willing to do that join the services.
The military doesn't accept people's views without question. Many of them question the war in Iraq, many decide to do what they think is right even if it means disobeying orders. I mean look at the generals who talked bad about the Iraq war, even though they pretty much knew they would be fired.
for a contract slave soldier , it is to faithfully serve the war effort or be imprisoned . it's a sorry contract , especially for the national guard . i believe a state governor could do something about it for his local folks .
You can quit your job and eventually finda new one. Quit the miliary and you have that on your name for the rest of your life so no job will ever want to hire you. Not to mention you can't even vote anymore. And when you hurt yourself in the military YOU get in trouble for 'destruction of military property'. People don't just join for the college money, but also for the experience itself. However a young delicate female may sign a contract stating she would be trained to be specialized in nursing or paralegal, and the recruiter will tell her that she will never leave America and if she ever did she would definately never be sent to battle. And yet, for some aweful reason our government thinks they can just lie to manipulate innocent kids into thinking they will do one thing, then force them to do another. Then they would very likely send that girl to Iraq, where the former ballerina will be destined to be blown to pieces by a suicide bombing from her very own fellow soldier, because it is so sick and fucking sad out there that our troops are killing themselves more than the enemies are killing them! So yeah.. job, war.. not 2 the same
So, you're saying a mercenary soldier getting paid to kill people is comparable to say, someone getting paid to install your cable tv. Oh yeah, that makes fucking sense.
There is no such thing as an honorable warrior except on private personal terms. To try and make the whole category of "warrior" acceptable to reverence is to ignore the fact that they are ordered to do what they do, and many times the general public has no idea of the motives behind the orders. I personally feel that killing/murder is wrong, why try to honor those that benefit for those very acts. Uniforms can be very flattering and make young people look more important and grown up, but it's all window dressing. Injured soliders will come home and leave the window dressing behind. They will have no orders to follow. What's to control their actions then? How many of you want the ex-gi street people in your backyard? How many families can't cope with the mental problems these people come home with and lose all contact with them, because they don't want them in direct contact with their families/children?
