che guevara

this kid i know is way into this guy-che guevara, i know that he was a marxist revolutionary, but thats as far as that goes. can anybody give me a guevara 101 for dummies? and is this a guy that i should admire?

sorry if you think im stupid for not really knowing who he is.

 

The ideal Che represents is pretty.

Che himself as a person was a mass murderer, in my humble opinion.

Anyhow... do the Wikipedia thing.

 

He was a foreigner that helped bring totalitarianism to Cuba. Later he got killed trying to bring totalitarianism to another country. After the revolution he was one of the most enthusiastic oppressors and executioners. He though most communist regimes weren't extreme enough.

Also he had good hair.

Little known fact though, the iconic image of him that on the t-shirts? It is a cropped picture of him in uniform. In the full picture he looks like a complete twat in some star trek type outfit.

 

There has never been any such thing as a "communist regime", ****. Do you even know what Communism actually is, or just the bullshit you were taught in school? Nor is Cuba quite the hellhole that people say it is. It's HUGELY improved since the revolution. You also need to go watch Star Trek, the two uniforms look nothing like eachother

 

Are you a communist? Communists are just as bad as Nazi's, in my opinion. They may be 'opposites' in the political line, but they are both still extremes.

 

I am guessing you ve never been to Cuba, nor some other communist country...

 

I'm pretty sure that the "Marxist" in my username would make it quite clear that I am a Communist.

First off, Communists are in no way worse than nazis, to suggest such is ignorance, plain and simple. We do not hate because of race or advocate genocide. There are also many Communists who are pacifists and believe in peaceful means of attaining change. It's also important to note that many civil rights leaders were also socialists in some way. Angela Davis was a member of the Communist Party and the Black Panthers had socialistic beliefs.

There has never been a single Communist country. True Communism is anarchy, and not totalitarian in any way. The Soviet Union, and to some extent Cuba, and also other nations that have been called Communist are poor representations of what communism is supposed to be.

 

Wow! That's a funny coincidence, because the German Nazi party were actually called the Nationalist Socialist German Worker's Party; see how that makes it sound like a far-left party?

Communism is a totally flawed theory. Either it ends in a totalitarian state that causes mass genocide (a la Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot) in the attempt to turn society back to bare basics, but which evidentally evolves back into Capitalism.

Communism will never be attainable, because you have to strip people of their individuality. People want to make their own money due to their own ego, and communism prevents people from expressing this ego and their desire to make their own earnings.

Just ask Pavel how great Communist countries are to live in.

 

We did have a whole lot of patatoes and caviar though.

...oh, and tomato juice.

Seriously though... communism cannot possibly function on anything other than a very small scale.

Applying it to modern politics, or to modern life as it is....... is completely silly.

 

Just because they called themselves the National Socialist Party, that doesn't mean they were actually Socialists. Most of the Communists I don't support Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot. Stalin and Pol Pot were simply fascists in disguise, and though Mao may have had some progressive ideas, he was also quite corrupt.

And I'll say it again, there has never been such a thing as a Communist country.

 

...Wow. You just said that a dictator that killed over 40,000,000 (forty-million) had some 'progressive ideas'. Is this enough of a sacrifice to defend his Great Leap Forward plan, which was based on the Theory of Productive Forces (a widely accepted concept within Communism and Marxism)?

If there has never been such a thing as a communist country since thousands of years, then it will NEVER happen. The world isn't going to change to something that would happen more comfortably in a community of 10 people. Greed is a natural emotion, and one that we must not oppress, regardless of whether people think it's 'right' or 'wrong'.

 

Exactly my point!

 

"And I'll say it again, there has never been such a thing as a Communist country"

proof that pure communism cannot be attained

 

So MH what you are telling me is we can't say communism is bad, we can only say that communists trying to achieve communism have, historically, produced mass murder, tryanny, and economic ruin.

Like most communists you have a circular definition. Communism = utopia, therefore if someone attempts to create a communist system and it turns out to be hell on earth, well then they must have done something wrong because it says right here in Das Kapital that communism is way cool.

 

wow, you actually said humble...in the same sentence with in my opinion...i havent been here long, but i somehow believe it is a big day..

 

Dude...that's like... sweet and shit.

Wanna make love on the trees like monkeys?

 

I think I ll pass...

 

I like the che shirt that has his face on it and it says "communism killed 100 million people and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"

lol

 

It is fallacious to assume, with no grounding, that the future will necessarily resemble the past. Capitalism didn't exist for a long time. Do you think when Adam Smith first wrote about it, that feudal landowners could pass it all off, as "it's never happened before"?

And Mao did have some progressive idea's, but thinking that doesnt mean to say you back the great leap forward, or the cultural revolution, or any other of his crackpot schemes to "wipe out revisionism"...