I saw Al Gore do his Inconvenient Truth presentation

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by Magical Fire Lady, May 17, 2007.

  1. Magical Fire Lady

    Magical Fire Lady Senior Member

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    Saw it at a nearby college, it was awesome! Best presentation on anything really, and I really learned a lot. It also gave me the sense that the world is one, and we are one with other species. It was extremely informative.

    I can't believe people are complaining about having to watch the movie in their science classes. Well I can't believe people don't believe it, especially since Al Gore showed full proof that it is happening.

    While we were leaving though, someone handed a booklet to my friend that said "The Gore Hoax" about how global warming isn't real I suppose. So I grabbed it from her and threw it at the people and one of them yelled "Thats assault." It was fun haha
     
  2. AncientHippie

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    I think there is still a group of people around that insist that the world is flat.
     
  3. jonny2mad

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    well their being bankrolled by big oil and coal same as the tobacco companys got "scientists" to say smokings safe when they knew it wasnt .

    one thing about gore bush cheated to win that election Ive talked to people who have called gore a failure, but if someone cheats your not a failure if they win their still cheats .
     
  4. Just curious

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    Fire Lady, of course it is happening, that's not the argument. the real question is who is responsible "Man" or "Nature". This part is not settled. If it is nature, then we(man may not be able to change it. If it is man then maybe we can not change enough to prevent any problems. Besides I like global warming--- it's warmer in the winter
     
  5. jonny2mad

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    look saying its not settled man or nature is much like someone saying well its not settled that smoking causes cancer , Im sure there are people out there that believe that, Ive met people who believe the earth is flat .

    There isnt a debate amongst scientists that humans are causing global warming, but mostly americans seem to think there is a debate .

    I cant blame americans because of two things one their society is set up on the car and using up resources faster than anyone else and two the american media and big oil companys have lied to them that there is a debate .

    http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=522784499045867811&q=global+warming+denial

    watch this film or visit some of the websites that look at who made this fake debate in the first place, and how they are making lots of money, much like people who sold tobacco telling you it was safe and healthy when they knew it killed millions of people

    The reason we now have warnings on tobacco products is that eventually people looked just on the science .

    now you might like it a little warmer but it isnt just going to stay a little higher the way its going this planet is going to end up uninhabitable thats not me saying thats the main scientific group in the world as said that .

    and we have very little time to change before it gets out of human control and no matter what we do we are all screwed
     
  6. lunarflowermaiden

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    One of the many typical ignorant responses to global warming by man.
     
  7. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    I think one of the best things in al gores film is the way he looks at normal cycles of warming and cooling and whats happening now and how its linked directly with what we are doing .

    whats the biggest business in america oil, now just put yourself in their place your given evidence that your causing global warming what do you do , cut back on your profits or try to confuse the issue like the tobacco companys did , even if they get 20 years they will be happy because their making big profits .

    Ive talked to people and you tell them about global warming and they dont care if they think it wont effect them , a lot of these shill scientists are old men and they know they wont be around when things get bad and their getting the cash now .

    you have a media thats owned by big business , remember when ralph nader had that story about american cars killing loads of people because they were built unsafe and he couldnt get a paper to print it because the motor industry was their biggest client .

    and he had to get it published in a out of the way place and eventually published as a book and it became a best seller and the story then got out .

    well look to see all these global warming isnt true storys and think maybe their being run with a agenda to buy big oil time to make more money
     
  8. jonny2mad

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    Also look at the people at the top of these companys you get billionaires happy to lie and steal for more money they get caught robbing pension funds and taking money off old widows .

    And these billionaires dont need all that money they could live a extreamly fancy life with the money they have but they want more and more.

    And these are the sort of people in charge of the oil and coal industry and if you think they wouldnt risk the entire earth for more money they dont need your daft
     
  9. Magical Fire Lady

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    Yeah our government was hiding the evidence that scientists said that global warming is happening. I have NO IDEA why anyone would think thats a good idea! Fucking idiots man!

    To JustCurious, it doesn't matter if its man or nature. We as humans with advanced technology to figure out whats happening and with the ability to report it to the world, we can change it. Every other country has recognized that its happening except the US. ALL the countries in the world. Except for America. What the fuck.

    Well just go watch the movie!!!!!
     
  10. Pronatalist

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    It doesn't feel any warmer. Show me the "global warming." (There's more evidence that Santa Claus exists than global warming. At least Santa gets spotted on the radar Christmas Eve.) Pseudo-scientific hearsay doesn't cut it.

    They can't prove there is any global warming, they can't prove it is significant, they can't prove that the effects will be dire, nor can they prove that man is the cause. They can't even prove that there is anything we can do to "fix" it without devastating the economy, which hurts real people. So "global warming" is an incrediably weak theory upon which to rush to communist anti-freedom fear-mongering policy.

    On Coral Ridge Ministries TV show, airing on Sunday mornings, they called Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth," a "crock-umentary." Al Gore claims that sea level will rise some 20 or 40 feet, when more credible sources that claim sea level rise only claim but 16 inches. Is exxageration-for-scare-effect a valid scientific method?

    Where did I see that thread "An Inconvenient Hypocrite," talking about Al Gore's house that uses 20 times the energy of a typical American house, and Al Gore flying around in his private jet to hype his shoddy DVD?

    Humans would naturally prefer a little "global warming" anyway. Look where humans most cluster. Human population bunches up close to the equator. Seems like God only gave the fur coats (animal skins to cover nakedness) to Adam & Eve after they had sinned and discovered their nakedness. Seems we have to go hunt our own fur coats.
     
  11. Just curious

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    My point is that you should not trust everything you hear or read on any side of a debate. Just try to understand what the problem is and if there is a reasonable solution. Fire Lady, it does matter if warming is caused by man or nature. Some people are saying that Sun flares are contributing to warming on earth. If that is true, then that portion of warming is out of mans control. Lets assume that man is causing the warming. Some reports suggest that we have only 20-30 years before the effects are irreversible. So ok how much change do we need? will it be enough? Does anybody know? What if the only way to reverse globlal warming would be to stop all cars and trucks from being used in transport. Could we as a society survive? I think not. Further, the USA is not the only country that has not moved on warming. China has the worlds largest population and is the 2nd largest emitter of greenhouse gases (expected to be #1 by 2030) is not required by the Kyoto Protocal to reduce carbon emissions, nor is India (worlds 2nd largest pop.)

    Finally, j2mad, you seem to be angry at businesses and the wealthy. I feel for you because I too get fustrated at greed and its effects. So does it bother you that a huge supporter of global warming (and Kyoto) is presidental candidate John Edwards, a man worth an estimated 200 million and who is currently building a 26,000 square foot mansion in North Carolina while clearing more that 40 acres of trees and vegetation. Think of the energy that this home is giong to use, just to keep two people comfortable! Hypocrite? Yes! Be careful who you follow and what you believe
     
  12. lithium

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    This is not somethng anyone knows for sure, but if you are genuinely interested in learning what the current science and best expert analysis is telling us you could do worse than read up on the IPCC fourth annual report on mitigation of climate change published a few weeks ago which is the work of hundreds of scientists from around the world assessing the current scientific data and attempting to answer these very questions. They conclude that halving global greenhouse emissions by 2050 and stabilising atmospheric CO2 at about 450ppm could be achieved at a cost of 3% of global GDP. This, they estimate, would prevent mean global temperature from rising higher than 2-2.8C.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6620909.stm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report#Working_Group_III_.28WGIII.29:_Mitigation_of_Climate_Change
    http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM040507.pdf
     
  13. Pronatalist

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    Isn't it funny how the overeducated idiots who claim to believe in modern farietales for gullible adults, such as "global climate change," always seem to expect "the little guy" to make all the painful sacrifices, to supposedly "fix" the problem? Why not live in a mansion if one has the money? We can just raise "environmental" taxes and restrictions, to squash the working poor, while the filthy rich still afford to consume just as much as ever? Lying hypocrites!
     
  14. Ludicrous

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    Pronatalist, how exactly is the "little guy" suffering? I don't know about the rest of you, but I believe that the global warming problem will be solved when we come up with clean energy sources... solar energy, hydrogen fuel cells, the like, that are portable and efficient. That's the main problem. Cars need them to be portable. Houses need a lot of energy to run, they need to be efficient. Figuring out this problem will in no way harm the little guy. We all just need to calm down about it (I'm looking at you, Pronatalist) and try to persuade our respective governments to put more funding in alternate fuel research. They don't put much funding there.
     
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  16. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Ain't that the truth! And these same vocal advocates probably hold stock in companies that will benefit from the little man's sacrifices while not themselves sacrificing anything.
     

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