Is immigration out of control?

I just found out that the Whitehouse and congress are negotiating a bill at the moment behind closed doors. Guess they don't want the rest of the population fo know what they are up to.

 

i think borders should be taken down and all the countries as one, so there would be no illeagals

 

Peacy, nice idea, however have you put any thought into this? Such as who would pay the taxes, Where would governments spend those monies? Would governments have borders? Countries do need borders.

 

I say if you come here come here LEGALLY! I did. I don't understand how some who are illegal own businesses homes & cars. You need a social security # to obtain these things. So they are breaking the law by having fake ones.

If you go through what we all have to be a citizen then do it. Sorry to sound harsh.

 

why do they need those things? A business is simply money in and money out for services rendered and goods recieved isnt it?

If you do a job for me or sell something I pay you. Thats a business transaction, only if you pay tax do you need those things and even then its debateable

 

Many of the businesses they are not paying taxes.



Let's see when I had to go for a job I had to show I was a legal immergrant. If not I could not get a job.

Why are they different?

 

I don't particularly feel like paying into a health-care system to support illegal immigrants who contribute nothing tax-wise.

 

The huge majority of migrants are economic migrants rather than refugees. So yes, unless they would be beneficial to the economy and society, then yes, I'll show them my back.

And by the way, I'm not American.

 

I just realize we can't support the entire world. I support taking on some refugees, but there is a limit to how much of a burden I am willing to shoulder.

 

An old radical ,83 years old told me today of his idea to deal with illegals.
Ship them back to Mexico and pay them $5 a day or $25 a week to stay there.
Think about it , it makes sense. They cost us about $65 a day while in our country.

 

If you dont come here the legal way then see ya! Time to leave.

 

I think they get taken advantage of when they come in illegally. They are relying on people that are more often than not only concerned about their bottom line.


When you don't speak the language, in an unfamiliar place and know you are illegal then any unscrupulous person can exploit you and there is not much you can do about it because you live in fear of being turned out.

If there were a better way of making sure they were not being used and treated worse than animals I'd say hell yeah...bring all the tired and hungry etc.

I don't really understand how illegal immigrants are draining the health care system and all that though.I always hear that but never see any proof. You have to show who you are and go through screening processes to get anything from the govt. That smacks of urban myth just to drum up support against the illegals.

 

I think the biggest problem is some businesses that are taking advantage of illegal labor. Crack down on them and you may be able to solve the problem.

Here in California it's currently illegal for social service agencies to ask for proof of imigration status before providing services. So yes many illegals only have to show pay stubs to qualify and receive aid from the state. This allows employers to employ these workers at a reduced costs, depending on the state to look after their supportive needs.

 

The problem in a California on status of a welfare recipient is not new.
My stepfather was the Fare hearing officer for Mendocino County's welfare dept.
He's been dead for 20 years, I remember him bitching about the same thing 30 years ago.
God help him if he ever ask for documentation of legal residency. He would have every advocate on him.
Now if someone said "Aye ?" and you suspected they might be Canadian, they were fair game to check out, but dont even go there with a Hispanic.

 

Did the British / French / Spanish come the ''legal way'' all those years ago ?.

Just kidding - i agree with your sentiment however awfuly brutish it is.

 

I live in Canada, eh, that mythical land where healthcare is universal. Illegal workers pay no taxes. They still have access to healthcare. Taxes pay for healthcare. See the connection?

 

There was just a investigation in Washington state of a huge canning plant. 150 non documented workers were rounded up. I think this was a Del Monte plant. Huge corporation why didn't their human services, employment department verify their status through the I9 forms that are required? I know I have to fill one out for each new job.

 

The I9 was instituted in 1980s with the last broad spanning amnesty program covering immigration. We were told that ill legal immigration would be reduced to a minimum. Employers were required to ask for Social Security numbers, Driver's License and birth certificate. What happened why didn't it work?

Perhaps because Mexico never went along with it? Now we have the promises of the SPP, and we in the states are going to aid Mexico in becoming a world power, by employing their people and providing them with Social Security in their old age (Checks mailed to their retirement homes in Mexico.). In 1985 we had the promise of NAFTA.

 

Immigration is completely out of control for the USA.
The interesting thing about the canning plant story is the lack of proper safety standards and procedures in the plant.

 

I once read and now agree that Americans are the laziest people in the world when it comes to learning a second language. I took up Spanish and I'm glad I did as now I feel like I have 22 keys in my pocket to 22 Spanish Speaking countries where I can now visit and move around more comfortably. Americans never stop to think that if they lived in, say, Germany they might have to learn some French, Italian, Russian, Arabic AND English if they wanted to travel comfortably to neighboring countries. Here, we have the opportunity to learn the easiest of languages, Spanish, but oh the screams and cries that they might have to get off their lazy asses and learn a few words of Spanish. Let's face it, English is one of the most difficult languages to learn, and as I tried to give a Mexican some easy short-cuts to learning English, I all but threw up my hands, given the complexity of the English language. But, now that I took the effort to learn Spanish, I'm in a wonderful position now to criticize non-English speaking Latino's IN SPANISH and to watch for their reactions. More Americans should do that, learn some Spanish, and then confront them IN SPANISH when you catch them speaking spanish, say, in a grocery store somewhere. It might inspire them more to meet us more half-way. Maybe, maybe not.