Looks like Israel's new defense minister isn't going to waste time dealing with Hamas' takeover of the Gaza Strip. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1942918.ece Read my other post in the America Attacks forum about how Hamas now has a treasure trove of US, Israeli and Palestinian spy information. The whole mideast spy network has probably already fallen into Iran & Syria's hands. Will this be the start of WWIII? Hamas is now well armed and ready to fight in Gaza. Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda are there too. Can Israel defeat Hamas and these others? Can they restore the Palestianian gov't to Gaza? Things are definitely gonna heat up now!
Yeah, we are getting closer and closer to the big eruption. There is a good chance this will coincide with the invasion of Iran, but I think there is a chance it could be even bigger than that. The entire region is on the verge of chaos. And keep in mind, Hamas is a creation of Israel. If it wasn't for Israel funding them to become what they are today, we wouldn't even know what Hamas is. It's all problem-reaction-solution, and everything that is happening right now is happening according to plan. This is how it always is. Hamas is only playing into Israel's hands, giving them the excuse they are looking for as a pretext for something much bigger, which has been planned for a while now. Hamas is a manufactured bogeyman, much like al-Qaeda and most of these other "terrorist" groups, which are total fronts for the CIA, MI6, and the Mossad. Nobody ever asks themselves who most stands to gain from terrorism and the threat of it. Certainly not the terrorists, unless you're referring to the REAL terrorists operating behind western governments, inciting violence and providing the pretext to launch endless wars in the name of conquest.
Agreed. The Neo-cons and GW think their time is running out, plus they want this new war underway before the next election. And it's spiralling out to a point where the little people that vote will have no control. We can't let that happen again.
He says, comfortably from a bedroom in Rochester. You're afraid to shower without a chemtrails filter yet you think Israel should has nothing to fear from a terrorist army that explicitly supports the suicide bombing of civlians and the destruction of Israel?
Um, yeah. It is admitted that Israel funded Hamas as a counter-balance to the PLO. http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r (UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL) http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8449 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SZA20060127&articleId=1817 http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_watson_012703_hamas.html According to [size=-1]United Press International[/size][size=-1], [/size][size=-1]“Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.” [/size] But there is no point in even trying to educate you. I don't know why Skip hasn't banned you yet. He banned you under your other name (Pointbreak) because you were harrassing people, but you came back under this name to continue harrassing people. I have no problem with your right to free speech, but it's another thing when you come to these forums with the sole intention of attacking people and resorting to ad hominem attacks, as a substitute for not having any facts of your own. If you're going to be a cheerleader for the globalist, neocon agenda, at least bring some facts to the table to back up what you say, instead of attacking people and resorting to petty name calling. In other words, grow up.
How is this any different than when the U.S. supported Iraq against Iran, or the Taliban against the Soviet Union? It just goes to show that no one can predict the future. But that's just not enough, is it?
Sorry Rat, but if you're going to call people NWO scum deviants, you've pretty much forfeited the option of complaining about name calling. And you gave up the right to accuse people of not having facts long ago. Owls is completely right. We sided with Stalin in WWII, does that mean communism is 'our fault' or that it wasn't a threat in the post war period? How many millions did Stalin the 'bogeyman' kill? Your politics are just too facile to comprehend a world as complex as the one we live in, you need Alex Jones to dumb things down to a cartoon villain world where everything is a giant conspiracy. Are you really too dense to understand that people make opportunistic alliances, that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "war makes strange bedfellows"? Your reasoning is that Israel once covertly gave support to Hamas to help undermine the PLO, before the PLO moderated and came to the negotiating table - three decades ago. Therefore Israel created and controls Hamas and Hamas doesn't really exist and isn't a threat and all those suicide bombers were imaginary? Its hard to believe anyone could accept a line of logic so completely nonsensical.
Communism was created by the big banks of the Anglo-American establishment (ie. the big banks of New York and London). So communism is not "our fault," since I don't consider myself to be part of the same criminal establishment that funded the rise of communism, as well as people like Adolph Hitler. Maybe you consider yourself part of that establishment, so I will not speak on your behalf. What I do know is that these people do not represent the average person, no matter where they live. I also don't like to get into the habit of blaming individual countries like the typical uninformed Leftist, when countries are always controlled by a small few who exist behind the scenes, and behind the facade of "elected government." What I will say is that there hasn't been a single major totalitarian regime in the past 100 that hasn't been funded in some way by the West. The ruling establishment of the West has long been part of a game called creating the best enemy money can buy. When you have no enemies, you have no wars, and suddenly the government becomes illegitimate in the eyes of the people. Therefore, you constantly need to make enemies by funding certain groups and radicalizing them. Governments need to have boogeymen to keep the people dependent on them for "protection." And enough with the Alex Jones nonsense already. I have already made clear that I am in no way affiliated with the guy, nor do I pay much attention to his work. So why do you find it necessary to keep bringing his name up when addressing me? You have worn that trick out long ago. When I called Hamas a manufactured boogeyman, I was not alluding to them not existing. I was trying to say that if Israel hadn't provided funding to them for so many years, it's highly unlikely they would hold the status they do today. It's all about divide and conquer. You fund two groups, pit them up against each other, provide more funding, and wait for both sides to exhaust themselves... then you step in and take over. This is pretty much how the US won the first two World Wars.
This is quite possibly the most accurate statement you've ever made... In fact, around 1999 (when I wrote my book), I was thinking how WELL things were going for the US, how relatively peaceful things were, when I realized that this meant the US would either have to pass on the "Peace Dividend" - remember that?, or it would have to create a new war(s) so that the defense industry and Pentagon would have a reason to continue to exist. I also realized then that the EU and China would soon rival the US for world superpower status, and that the only thing that still gave the US the edge over other countries was it's military might. Then I understood that if the US economy were to sour (as it did in 1999-2000 - the stock market bust), the military would need to justify it's continued existence and incredible budget. So the best thing the US could do to prove it was STILL a superpower and to demand continued respect from the world, was to flex its military muscle, it's last advantage of the rest of the world. So I was completely unsurprised by the THREE wars that Bush started. And now we're staring at the start of the next one, WW III.
This, of course, is completely false, and you only raise it as a diversion. You have nothing at all to back up your claim that Hamas is a 'manufactured bogeyman' which Israel 'created'. You showed that Israel played Hamas against the PLO 30 years ago, which doesn't in any way back up your claim, but you don't care. You see no reason why your facts should back up your claims. You've already moved on to the next conspiracy, that banks created communism. Ask a question about that and you'll quickly move on to the zionists supporting the holocaust. Yes, in some way. That's what the conspiracy websites tell you. The problem is that when you dig down, you always get the sort of 'evidence' that you have for Hamas being a bogeyman: a load of utter crap. And yet in your very last post, you linked to prisonplanet. You're not a very good liar Rat. This is some of the most insane logic I have ever heard. According to this 'logic', terrorism is theoretically impossible, unless the west does it. Think about this Rat. The real problem is that terrorism is too inconvenient for your theories, so you have to deny it even exists. But this is complete nonsense. Again, if Alex Jones tells you that some American banks, regardless of their size, financed some German companies, regardless of their importance, pre WW II, this means American banks created the Nazi regime and financed its rise to power, because in the Alex Jones world, there is no sense of scale, proportion, and no sense of context. Its a cartoon world, with only one villain.
It wasn't a diversion. I was speaking in reference to what you said about Stalin, who, like every other dictator of the past 100 years, was little more than a puppet on strings used in the dialectical process of conflict creation. The central banks funded the rise of the Bolshevik Revolution. Lenin and Trotsky were working for the bankers. It was the Wall Street bankers who financed Trotsky and his group of revolutionaries to return to Russia from New York to overthrow the provisional government and reinstitute the revolution. As far as Hamas being a creation of Israel... my understanding history (coupled with all the available evidence) tells me so... especially the history of Israel and their dirty methods of deception and conflict creation. Israel's funding of Hamas proves this, and the fact that Hamas plays into the hands of the Israeli government by providing the pretext for violent resolutions. There is nothing the Israeli government does better than murder innocent women and children, and they will use whatever excuse they can find to do so. It's been the same story throughout history if you dig deep enough. If the pieces fit, you put the pieces together and you have something. When you have something like this occuring over and over, you begin to see that maybe it's more than coincidence. Either you get it or you don't. If you see government as your benevolent protector, of course you wouldn't understand or even have any care to question it. Ok, and??? Did Alex Jones write the article? There are links to articles on all kinds of different websites on that site, including mainstream ones. Just because it's on PrisonPlanet, what makes it automatically associated with Alex Jones? Yes, the world you believe in, which has been shaped by the media and those who control it, IS a cartoon world full of the deception and propaganda, which YOU have bought into without question. I never said that terrorism cannot exist without the West having a hand in it, but in virtually ALL of the textbook cases of large-scale terrorism, all evidence points to the Western establishment having a hand in it. Ever heard of the Hegelian Dialectic?
