hitler the christian

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  1. Humanman

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    a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

    b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

    c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

    d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

    f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

    g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
    Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

    h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism
     
  2. Duck

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    interesting

    Catholicism always was really corrupt
     
  3. heywood floyd

    heywood floyd Banned

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    I can guarantee that every Christian is currently going 'wha... wha... what do you... you mean... but... it can't be... no... no... no!'
     
  4. Liroy

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    Have to disagree on that one,
    Hitler was a Christian but that doesnt mean all christians were and are like him :p
     
  5. J.I.

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    Its sad, but some priests still preach the similar things. I went to church a few weeks ago and this priest was talkin how we should be careful and watch out for minorities trying to be a part of our community. I dont know if a priest is allowed to be a nationalist and say things like that. I like this priest though.
     
  6. Liroy

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    lmfao, are you sure he is a priest?
    Are you not supposed to love one other?

    I'm sure he would like the minorities as in little children on his lap :')
     
  7. niranjan

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    If you want to be religious, enter not the gate of any organised religion. They do a hundred times more evil than good, because they stop the growth of each one's individual development.... Religion is only between you and your God, and no third person must come between you. Think what these organised religions have done! What Napoleon was more terrible than those religious persecutions? If you and I organise, we begin to hate every person . It is better not to love, if loving only means hating others. That is no love. That is hell! If loving your own people means hating everybody else, it is the quintessence of selfishness and brutality, and the effect is that it will make you brutes.

    ---Swami Vivekananda
     
  8. Just curious

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    That Hitler claimed to be a christian and that some how christianity is the cause of all the death and destruction during that time is ridiculous. Would we blame atheistism for the woes caused by Stalin and Mao (both atheists)? Hitler may have started down the path as a christian but certiantly left it once he came to power. As far a his use of the catholic church is concerned, any person wanting total power would try to manipulate any organization that could be used to their advantage. The church was foolish to allow it to happen, probably because they had an adverse agenda of their own. What other organizations did Hitler manipulate?
     
  9. Just curious

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    I fail to see where christianity was a "contributing factor" to his maddness, since christian belief based on the teachings of christ are entirely different than the results of hitlers time in power.
     
  10. Just curious

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    I am a believer and I do not feel superior to others. You seem to paint with a very broad brush my friend. Were not there German Jews? Hitler did not take to kindly to them did he? The Nazis' attempted to conquer the world through force but the bible talks about walking away from those who will not accept (believe). how is that the same?
    If christianity is a contributing factor in Hitlers maddness, then it follows that atheism is a contributing factor in the madness of Stalin and Mao! I believe Hitler hid behind christianity to gain power. What he did once in power was not of christian belief at all.
    Now it is possible that some christian preachers covet power out of greed in order to control the believers that they influence. In that case I would fault the preacher not the belief system. All religons have a human element involved so humans can and do pervert the belief, but the belief system does not pervert the human.
     
  11. Duck

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    I do agree that religion and radicalism are very much attached
    but it's hard to say that the religion causes it for sure
     
  12. Just curious

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    Is the priest pedophile making this decision on his own or because of the religion? I believe that we live by the decisions that we make(ie...personal responsibility). For the same reason that we shouldn't blame government when we don't have a job or health care even if some of its' policies make it more difficult to obtain such things. People who deny their children basic needs so that they die are twisted and usually are punished by the law.
     
  13. relaxxx

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    The common denominator between Hitler and Stalin's reign of terror is religion. In religion people can worship a God or another person. Hitler used Christianity to kill people, Stalin used the cult of personality. He elevated himself to God like status in his own religion. It is a religion subject to all the evils, superiority complexes and blind ignorance's of religion that develop the hatemongering genocidal religious war engine. The only real difference is what is being worshiped. North Koreans also have this type of cult of personality religion, the Kim Jong Illness.
     
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    The common denominator between Hitler and Stalin's reign of terror is religion. In religion people can worship a God or another person. Hitler used Christianity to kill people, Stalin used the cult of personality. He elevated himself to God like status in his own religion. It is a religion subject to all the evils, superiority complexes and blind ignorance's of religion that develop the hatemongering genocidal religious war engine. The only real difference is what is being worshiped. North Koreans also have this type of cult of personality religion, the Kim Jong Illness.
     
  15. skip

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    Now there's a true statement, but I bet not one Christian will admit to it.

    There's a lot in common to both ideologies.

    As far as the Church supporting Hitler goes, if the Church leaders had ANY BALLS, they would've come out AGAINST HITLER, and that right THERE would've probably ended his career, the Third Reich, and WWII.

    Why? Because there were so many christians still in Germany in the 1930s who would've followed the Church rather than Hitler.

    Without the Church's backing, there would've been no Holocaust (something the church seems to have enjoyed, immensely), no war, no Hitler in power.

    So yes, you can thank the Church for Hitler! When will Christians realize Hitler may have not been completely their creation, but they were certainly responsible for his rise to power, as much as the bankers who financed him.
     
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