what do you think of timothy leary

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you're in a drug forum dude.

he was a brilliant man.

on another note does anyone here like this drug called marihuana?" its new

 

hahaha

 

Kesey was cooler.

 

What do you know.

 

Cant say ive ever heard of it, what are its effects?

 

very good

 

Timothy leary is the man

 

I love his guts.

Timothy is my hero.

The Socrates of our generation.

 

leary really was super. http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm is the greatest page on the net.

 

to bad acid was the reason the hippie movement failed

 

^I disagree. I think that the movement was largly started by the hippie movement. it failed because most of the people weren't living sustainably, they were using their middle class parent's money. the cash flow stopped, so the hippies had to get jobs or starve.

 

well some hippies maybe, but most people living in scenes like haight-ashberry areas were doing alot of hardcore drugs. acid, speed, heroin. and they didnt work so alot of crime started as well. you might be right though i cant catagorize acid as the only cause to the end of the movement. but i do believe hardcore drugs did play a LARGE role in the begining of the end

 

I could see that with speed and heroin, but I have yet to see a correlation between acid and the movement slowing, other than it got a lot of them arrested. I think that the movement didn't really fail though, it brought us some rights and good literature/music. it also still lives on a bit though, only in a way that is sustainable and growing.

 

Leary apparently did contribute to the hastening of
the criminalization of LSD, but I never met the
guy, nor was I alive back then, so I dont exactly
hold that to be a definite truth.
He seemed like a good guy regardless.
His spirituality was beautiful but a bit strange,
but were all on different trips. -

 

yeah i suppose but leary and all the other hippie activist preached of a sustainable eutopia and praised acid as the way to acheive this. When people began to hear about the the Tate and LaBianca murders that Charles Manson and his crazed acid head followers and the violence that went on at atlamont music festival and hells angels really began to turn the goverments opinions away from hippies.

this is from a excert from the last chapter from a report of the hippie movement by Florian Kunkel
5. The Needle And The Damage Done
The end of the Movement
Although Woodstock fulfilled everything the Hippies expected and dreamt of – a chaotic event full of music, love and peace – it was clear that the Movement in its original form couldn’t exist any more. The masses had discovered hip culture, and the same way this culture found its way to public acceptance, the real Hippies started to withdraw into their imaginary “Woodstock Nation”. Mass culture assimilated most of the peripheral things of the Movement, but it did not adopt its essentials. Being hip became a trend, running around in old clothes and with flowers in the hair was something a lot of people were fond of soon – but it was only a trend, not a philosophy of life. Trends don’t last for long, early in the Seventies, being hip gave way to the upcoming Disco era. Being deeply deranged by this sellout of their very own identification, the real Hippies began to radicalize in several ways. The political resistance became more and more extreme. With demonstrations and sit-ins becoming rather fairs than expressions of political will, with young people going their not due to their opinion but to the fact of protesting just being cool, extreme New Leftists soon looked for new ways to gain public attention. As the SDS slowly broke apart because of inner conflicts, its radical communist members founded a group called “Weathermen”. It was named after a line of Bob Dylan’s “Subterranean Homesick Blues”22, “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”. Although it had nearly no support within the population and absolutely none within the peaceful Hippies, the “Weather Underground” caused a very bad publicity for the New Left (or rather what had been left of it) and its political aims by doing a series of bomb attacks on US governmental installations such as the Pentagon. With this background, the last hope of achieving political importance passed away, particularly with Nixon being president.The New Left faded out.
A certain number of “hardcore” Hippies left the USA after they saw no more future for the Movement in their home country. Most of them went to Asia, where the religions that had influenced them had their origins. Especially Goa in India became a place of pilgrimage for Hippies. They lived there undisturbed, could use their drugs, develop their philosophy and music – 20 years later, the Techno and Rave movements spread over the world from Goa. But the bigger part of the “beautiful people” stayed in the States. As described above, they started to become more and more unrealistic, only dreaming, living in “Woodstock Nation”. Hard drugs became more and more popular – the extremely dangerous heroine and cocaine. The results were catastrophic: In contrary to marijuana, of whose abuse only one person has died yet (in 2003, after smoking six joints a day for 16 years) and LSD, whose lethal dose is not known up to today, especially heroine can lead to a quick death easily. Janis Joplin (4th October 1970, overdose of heroin) and Jimi Hendrix (18thSeptember 1970, choked on his vomit after taking sleeping pills) were the most popular victims of the exploding drug abuse. Neil Young dedicated a song on his 1971 album "Harvest” to Danny Whitten, a member of his band who died of heroin. One day on Young’s 1971 tour with his band Crazy Horse, Whitten was so high during rehearsals that 22 link #20 he couldn’t hold his guitar any more. Young gave him 50 Dollar and bought him a ticket back to LA – where Whitten used the money to buy pure heroin, which killed him23.
Neil Young – The Needle And The Damage Done24
Although Young wrote this song for Whitten, it can be seen as an example for the drug
“careers” of many musicians and “normal” people: Being one time addicted to the drug,
one can’t get rid of it (“I love you baby can I have some more?”). With the loss of bands
to actual reality, many Hippies focused only on drug taking, became criminal to get the
money, lost sight of the rest of their life. As they saw their political actions becoming
entertainment for the masses, the last sense of their life vanished. More and more
became addicted (“I watched the needle take another man”) and threw away their lives,
hopes and dreams of a better world (“But every junkie’s like a settin’ sun”). Instead of
trying to bring their philosophy to the masses, they fled into a deceptively easy to handle
world created by drugs. To become popular without being taken serious was the Hippie
Movement’s own death sentence.

 

I'm not religious, but I say amen to that shit!

 

Om shanti -

 

that passage seemed to not indicate lsd as contributing to the end, but rather harder drugs. by the way,
on eutopia: was that intentional or a typo? because I'm pretty sure it is normally spelled utopia. but eutopia is the best word ever. it is a fusion of perfect society (utopia) and joy (euphoria), which was a big goal of the hippy movement. 'eu' means true, so eutopia would mean 'true socitey" as opposed to the utopian perfect society, making it possible, which a utopia is normally considered not so.

 

typo but good points on the word haha its def crazy