Ok, so my friends and i decided to try HBWR seeds last night. I wanted a strong trip so i was going to take 8, they each took 4. After 3 hours of chewing them and feeling nothing at all we decided to take some more (complete mistake.) I ended up taking 12, they each took 9 total.After another hour or so we started to feel very slow and lethargic. I went home and they hung around their house. When i got home i put on some music and turned out the lights. The come up was kinda nice. I enjoyed tripping and just layed on my back and tripped out. After an hour or so i fell asleep. I awoke to my phone ringing. I WAS TRIPPING BALLS! this was absolutely NOTHING like how i felt just an hour and half earlier. It was overpowering. The phone call was my friends. they were tripping out real hard to. They said that they couldnt stop thinking negative thoughts, and one of them was having a minor episode. he was freaking out. (i should note this was one of his first pyschodelic experience) I ended up throwing up multiple times and feeling generally liek shit. it took about 3 hours and a sleeping pill for the freaking out one to pass out, and me about 4 more hours before i was good to fall asleep. So Drug :HBWR Dose: 12 seeds chewed Time: 2 hours - lethergy, 4 hours - come up, 5 hours - sleep, 6 hours - Powerful high, uncomfortable, sickness, 9 hours - sleep, 14-15 hours - Still somewhat high when i woke up, but i was able to go to work. I felt very weak and tired the whole shift. Also threw up in the bathroom a couple times. Bottom line is that i didnt respect what i was doing. I made the mistake of ignoring the information on dosing i had read. It was a mistake well learned and it wont happen again. It wasnt a total loss. I learned a good bit of myself when on a high dose of psychodelics. I can handle alot more LSA then my tripping partners can. I was always in control, just not comfortable. And im very thankful it was only LSA that i made the stupid decision to ignore dosing with. This could have been alot worse.
sounds like a good experience then, if you learned something. btw, what do you have to say in regards to the widely reported stomach upset? did you have any physical side effects you didnt like? how did you prepare the seeds?
the sickness differed between the three of us. I felt fine the entire time until much much later. My friend reported pretty serious leg cramps. as for the upset stomach, my other buddy said that after he forced himself to throw up it kicked in and he felt much better. He was also the one that came down first. I dont know if the 2 things are because of each other, but it makes you think. For preperation we used the cold water extraction method at first. It was after this that we didnt feel any effects for a while. After the initial dose we just cleaned em off and chewed them up. That seems to be the easiest.
Ergot-type alkaloids can be very toxic. Purifying to lsa will likely help remove some of the toxic glycosides or whatever crazyness is beyond the rings and the amide. But lsa isn't a marvelous psychedelic, rather weak, dull/depressing, with more strangeness than magic. I think its great that people explore natural entheogens but know what you might be getting into. HBWR seeds perhaps are best used to enhance something else when a more desirable tryptamine is not available, and it is worthwhile to do a good extraction.
