no i wont! that is the bad thing about america they have opotunities, high standard, but they just don't use that! they will rather sit in some trailor, not working anything, living with the money the contry gives to them as help, eating junk food... it's sad and if McDonald's and MTV is a culture to you.... and maby you would like to read the prewious posts on history making few nonsence wars, clameing to be heroes, ki.ling some inosent people it's a hell of a history you're from russia, is the nameing all of russia's kings the bigest thing in your history book? pathetic
and that's because if i've talked with 50 people from this forum, only 5 knew where it was and if i did explaine to them, they would still think it's some shity place where people eat just bread and salt
You've said it yourself. There is no "American" culture. American culture is a sublimate mostly of europian coultures, and lately some asian and oriental.
yes, i have talked to this people and no, my conclusion si based on everything i see every day, statistics, people's opinion...
tv, news, music, papers, internet, people who are crazy about America, people who've been in America, politics....
Marija, I think you're loosing this argument, and fast. Even though... this was far from the point of this thread. But, I must say... America does not have one unifying culture like almost any other country. America is such an unorganized mixed of cultures, that there is no tradition or heritage that binds people together... therefore these things are created by the country with patriotic concept and notions of success... and those are the sad things.
To add: America's mass culture desintegrates from intellectual and traditional cultural aspects... and focuses on the simplest and most inane concepts to unite people. The American people have no identity, they are just there... they are just dreams within a dream.
Ok, you're getting on my nerves now. When you go Italy, you go to an Italian restourant to eat some pizza or pasta because that's part of the nation's culture and it has been there for centuries. When you go to Russia you have a Vodka because it's part of the nation's culture. When you come here you eat ajvar and drink rakija because it's part of our culture. That's unique for this nations, it makes them diferent than any other place or people in the world. It's part of their history, part of their culture. America has a nation of immigrants. Where does your familly originaly comes from? Do you know? America does not have anything that specificly refers to her and just to her. Everything that can be called "American culture" is taken from other cultures.
DS, I admire your stance in the argument, you're making a fair one. haha, but c'mon, wikipedia?(that ones almost begging to be slammed) In a funny sense almost contradicts a pro american intlligence or pro american culture debate-side. Aside yeah, If you want to know the actual american culture, it's taking a stance, making an effort, striving in our own individual often retarded ass ways for passionate character... Mistakes happen, I don't hate anyone, michael jackson, bill clinton, george bush, hilery clinton, dick cheney....there's a long list. But this is not full on sarcasm, many people rise to many pedastals of influence and symbolism... AND THAT IS THE AMERICAN CULTURE IN LAGRE. We just have an adventure to prevail in, on the path to doing our best to take the slugs of our plans, and rolling them into a settling, and aiding an ultimate life story. This is not to suggest the ends justify the means, but that is why we have archival outlets which centrlize an evergrowing collage/range of perspective, insight, knowledge, wisdom and experience, in their own, descrete, subtle, loud and expressive ways. I believe it's all for the core meaning, and the rest shades away as "residue", like water flowing through a swimming fishes gills, or air through a humans lungs. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh. But mother nature believes in "tough love" I think. Or perhaps....America ACCEPTS other cultures, from the people, who decided to leave their, original countries, and embrace them here, alongside others, and create a transoceanic embrace, of their strong historic customs. You know what my dad and I ate on thanksgiving? Curry made with turkey and lamb... After all it was about peace with the INDIANS right? haha, that, hong kong five spice shrimp, and an entire slew of other great dishes from asia, europe even africa and south america. I love cooking, litterary arts and physical arts and passtimes that other cultures have "cultured" into existence due to what they had to work with. And that is another facet of american attitude, proud and at least the strive to be just. These are things that require our attention, alongside the culterek reapings of evolvign human activity. Because I accept other cultures, I make incredible curry pork loin slabs, which have been called, and I agree, "simply irresistable". Evryone who's tried them thinks I should get into the resteraunt business cuz they'd be flying of the shelves faster than fingers snap. That is because as a pure-born american(half anyways) I embrace what the world has to offer. That kind of recollection is what american culture is. THat is why so much progress has been made to preserve like hell, history, forrest area, parks, monuments, places of significant historic inclusions... I truely am sorry you focus on the things, such as "what drink do I have here?" "well what country are you in?" I will try to get out there to other countries, and partake in their many customs, it is enriching. But for the most part, that is why you do AS MUCH, learning and reflection as possible, expanding your viewpoint for the better, and allow some time for the lesser to be rearranged according to the mass of the greater's preference. But that's a sticky area to, it almost rebirths the cycle of FASCISM, and that' is a heavy no no, for anything other than, what does pure human arrogance with no scope for slack look like? We got a healthy dose of that, better to have some outlet, like a pub, we're all those idealists can go and rant and kick the shit out of eachother until they got it out of their systems. CLeansing through experience, push yourself to do it, be pushed into doing it, or whichever else. I hope this helps.
Responding to the part of your post that not only sounds pretty, but also makes sense: I see your point... it's an individual based culture. In my opinion, it appears to be an individual based culture, when in reality it's more of a mass based culture than anything. America resembles a huge anthill more than any other nation on earth. This might not be a bad thing... people from all around the world are attracted to this... and hell...foreign people, such as myself, actually use this to our advantage... get a college education, succeed, and then work in high paying jobs or do whatever it is we want... While Americans, who are so influenced by this culture..... every person things that they are God, because the TV tells them that everything is about them. Every person pleases himself with purchases.... God must own shit! Every person is just another ant living in a sad life, which just suddenly ends and you look back and realize that nothing has really happened and that you were 18 with dreams and hopes yesterday and now you're suddenly 60... without any hope left. All you wish is that you would have died when you were 18 instead. (I'm not saying every American is like this... I'm stating a point).
i have the same acces in informations as you, maby even better cause i'm not limitet by CNN as you you don't trust the internet but you still give me informations from wikipedia yes i've seen the Bush ratings, and it's sad because he sucseeded too fool all America about Iraq, and people realised that (even thoy too late) and they don't do anything to take his power away (ok we all know he is just a pion in this game but anyway noone does anything) and do you have to out your hand in a fire to make sure it's hot?
Marija, you sound like a very very angry uninformed teenager. You loose a lot of hippie points for that. DSOTM: American Indians are a terrible example in this debate. They were mass murdered by the so called "American culture" and its effect.
Good point, and thanks for adding some more contrast... But dude, I don't wish I was dead at eighteen, For me it was seventeen, just before becomming, "just another legal statistic". And when that doesn't happen, the sentiment transverses into, "how to get inside the system and fuck it up!". And when that doesn't happen, "How to get inside the system to get the fucked up things out." What I witnessed, is by that last phaze, people will often hang in a limbo between the two battling... Battling against the hardships, heartaches and currents of daily living while continually reorganizing, "which is fucked up, and which isn't, and what is my take?" But for me, I prefer the outside of the "anthill" I'm mostly anti social, because I believe we should be doing this in our own descrete ways, and then have some time alotted to going out, communing and gathering to share, spread and embrace our simple pleasures of living, while the homestead, what ever it is, stays responsibly tended to... Again, I can appreciate, the way you have been living for yourself, that's the idea, and I know there are others who agree full heartedly. Haha, and dude, not that you're big on cartoons or anything, but that is why I laugh my ass off at seth mcfarlane and his harsh carvings of comedy... haha, "so where do we put this to get it out?"... :Computer screen with entitled heading, "WIKIPEDIA": HA! Alright I'm done, need something new to dicuss. Happy chatting friends...
"I'd be willing to bet you would have NEVER mentioned wiki if someone else hadn't. " and? that makes a diference to you? you just don't get it, Bush didn't fool anybody he is too stypid to do that, it's all politics, there a alot bigger and more powerful people behind Bush planing all his steps yes i've read your info it says all i say too you don't get me, obviously and it's not personal you make it personal "and you can go on hating America, Americans and our so-called non-existent culture." i will thank you
All in all, I think everyone eventually realizes that they cannot fully escape the system. The system has more permanance than the individual here. The individual is a small small working ant, so small that the system could just kill it off and no one will notice or care... but the system, the system is the queen. The queen is necessary... people notice if someone even threatens to touch the queen... or go beserk when someone hurts her! (Take 9/11, per example). The people cannot help being controlled by the queen, but sadly none try to survive outside the anthill by themselves. The key eventually becomes clear... use the antihill and the services it provides to your advantage, but live as far outside it as you can. Also, always have some backup plan in case the life outside the antihill just doesn't work, or for some reason you decide to become a good ant and join the anthill again. ( a college diploma usually works for this). Damn ants.
Yeah man, that's my thing. I'm finishing college, then I'm out... out out out out out... to the mountains I go and as much as I love people... I don't look back.
i see big diference between exploring and respecting diferent cultures and making some other culture yours there si nothing wrong with eating indian food or wisiting places or learning new interesting things i like traveling, even thoy i don't have much posibilytis for it i learn English, French, Italian and Latin but what bothers me is globalisation with the aditude :"lets make one big culture for all" we are loosing great amount of diverse cultures, languages, customs... and that's not good
