No more bags

At Tesco we are committed to reducing the number of carrier bags we use. We're introducing a fantastic new service. You now have the choice to have your groceries delivered without bags and get Green Clubcard Points* as a thank you.

You can choose from the following two options at the online grocery checkout page:
Delivery without carrier bags**
Delivery with carrier bags
If you choose delivery without bags, your shopping will then be unloaded for you either at your door or into your kitchen so it is important to think carefully before selecting to have your delivery without bags, particularly in the following situations:

You prefer the driver not to come into your home and therefore normally have your shopping unloaded at the doorstep.
You live in a property that is difficult for your driver to access with green trays.
You can change your preference at the grocery online checkout at any time you want (up to 10pm the night before your delivery).

At the online grocery checkout you will be asked to select how you would like your shopping packed. Please select without carrier bags or with carrier bags.

You can change your preference each time you checkout. This service is subject to availability.

http://www.tesco.com/deliverywithoutbags/

 

I like the paper bags, because they fit in my trash can better. And they don't tip over in the car, near as bad as little plastic bags.

But the shopping clubs have a nice alternative, of just making everything so big/supersized, that bags are useless. Then the product's container, is its own "bag"/carrying container.

Bags are cheap. Why all this "environmental" poverty mentality, that says we can't have bags? If I didn't get bags, what would I put my trash in? I would then have to buy plastic trash bags?

Delivery? Yeah, that would be nice, if they just magically knew what I wanted to buy and when. (And if delivery was "free," which I am sure there must be an obvious or hidden built-in fee.) But it's easier to just pick it up and put it in my shopping cart, than to order some other way. Many people still like to "touch" the products they buy.

Wouldn't delivery have a problem with melted ice cream? Usually serving many customers takes longer, than me bringing home my own groceries.

Actually, if I could have my preference, I would like a Star Trek "food replicator." I could eliminate, not just the refrigerator and stove, but pretty much the entire kitchen. No more washing dishes, or even laundry anymore. I can just "replicate" a new shirt and pants of my size, every day, and then dereplicate them after I get my new ones.

 

so much skepticism from one who purports to love unconditionally.

for my part, anyone who tries to take my plastic bags away from me will be roasted alive when i zap them with my Star Trek phaser! hell, why stop there? i could do what i please, phasing civilians and the elderly alike. the police would be no match for an invincible beam from an imagined future, and if they did manage to catch me... the devil made me do it!

 

If you re-use them then it is still a burden on the environment - but not so bad. You seem to use them fairly responsibly - if you use them to replace ''proper'' plastic waste bags - it still is not ideal but better than what most people do.

You have to spend over a certain amount and then it is completly free.
Lots of people find it more convenient and simpler to ''shop on line''. It obviously is popular -

They have refrigerated trucks - and a well managed delivery system.

Now your just being silly

 

Still a "burden?" And yet the environment doesn't "feel" burdened, because the environment can't feel nor think. I am probably also a "burden" to my car, although it doesn't "think" so, and would be without a purpose, not being so "burdened."

Yeah, I am frugal, conserve rather than waste, and all that, but I can do so, without the typical "environmental" guilt trip. Seems like it still hasn't convinced all the morons out there, to stop littering and simply put their trash in the proper trash receptacle, a trash can.

Actually, I like easy tips of how to spend less money or do things better or easier.

And of course I don't buy plastic trash bags. I am too much a packrat to buy, what I already have. And perhaps I am a bit too much like my Dad. I found that he had a huge box in his basement full of paper grocery bags saved up since who knows how long ago.

Still not quite ideal? Well what then is "ideal?" Maybe if I just toss my trash into my backyard? That way, tax money won't have to go to pay for trash collection. Would that be "natural" although not very tidy or sanitary? Or would it be "ideal" if there were no people, so that there would be no "trash?"

I haven't bought all that much online yet. Except for stuff hard to find locally. But considering how these greedy corporations get rid of the good stuff, to make room for the new trendy junk, don't have what one needs in stock, and can't find good help in stores, why not shop more online?

Can I then buy my favorite flavor of ice cream, mint-chocolate chip, in a full half gallon size, rather than that rip-off-the-customer-hoping-they-won't-notice, 1.75 quart size? And can I buy a full 1 1/2 pound loaf of whole wheat bread, and not the rip-off 20 ounce loaf?

I don't know so well, what sort of grocery delivery service we have around where I live. But it would be nice, if magico-presto, a new replacement grocery item, just magically appeared, when I used up the previous one. I can't imagine that shopping online, is quite that easy or "magical."

Well at least, it would be "ideal." Far better to be "silly" than stupid. I put a "spaceship" on my Christmas wish list, because who says that Christmas wish lists have to be "realistic?" If it was "realistic," then why haven't I already bought myself all those things? My Dad says he can't get into Star Trek because it is "too far-fetched." Oh really? I tell him, if there's anything far-fetched about Star Trek, it's this crazy idea that everybody can get along so well with each other, without hardly any "religion." Now that's far-fetched.

Yeah, I know why there will probably never be any "food replicators." Because people will forget to pray and give thanks to God, for their "replicator" food. Because evil humans would replicate harmful things and weapons, rather than useful things. But think about it. You can already google up endless pictures of food on the modern computer, which wasn't even possible a few decades ago. How about a "print-out" of that food? They already have a process called stereo lithography by which CAD (Computer-Aided-Design) drawings can be "printed-out" into a 3-D plastic shape, although it's more expensive than molding plastic, so it is used for testing prototypes. Somehow I imagine that the first "food replicator" wouldn't just magically have food or Captain Piccard's tea appear in a matter of seconds. So many molecules, so little time? Even for "super-fast" computers and nifty constructor "force fields" or whatever. Somehow it seems to me more like 5 hours. But I could live with having to plan my menus at least 5 hours in advance.

But you have to start somewhere. Man went to the moon, first in the comic books. Imagine what a dream a "replicator" would be for a packrat like me. How many square feet do we loose in our homes, storing stuff unlikely to ever be used for much? I could just "scan" everything into (highly organizable and extremely compact) computer files, and then give or throw it all away. Star Trek envisions a world without either money or poverty. But who does man think he is, to think he can create "heaven" on earth? Don't think I will see it, within this lifetime, but rather in the hereafter. But at least sci-fi can promote the idea that the future might actually be better.

 

So many people against this thread is so sad Oh, and "the environment cant think or feel" is one of the stupidest things ive heard for a while. Were talking about our planet becoming swamped, dirty and in trouble...that affects US and other animals...duh.

I guess though, on a side note, who are you to say the planet doesnt feel?

But anyway, its blatantly not about that. What bullcrap, trying to make out it is

 

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I want to use canvas bags for groceries, but like it's been said in this thread; the plastic bags are useful for garbage bags or to clean up dog poop when you walk your dog. I guess the idea is to just reuse and recycle when possible and as much as you can. We just have to much packaging to dispose of. I think groceries should come with as little packaging as possible. I saw canvas shopping bags at Pathmark for $.99 each. I was thinking about getting some. Now I'm not sure anymore. I don't know what else to put my garbage in.

 

If ur using grocery bags for garbage bags at the same rate as you acquire them from shopping then ur generating too much garbage IMO.

 

I try to keep my garbage to a minimum.

 

Why is that "stupid?" Saying that doesn't mean I don't care. It means that I don't see much point in ascribing human characteristics to inanimate rocks and trees. Somebody somewhere said something against making animals in TV cartoons, to behave like people, because people would get them confused and start trying to downplay human rights by feeling sorry for the animals, or something or other. Animals can't have "human rights," lest people then only are thought to have but mere "animal rights." Everything can't be priority #1. But then of course animals on cartoons behave like people, because look who the authors of the story is? People naturally seem to think that we people are "the center of the universe" or something, why even the "aliens" on sci-fi movies and on Star Trek look strangely like people. (And that human actors are used, might just have something to do with it. Actually, I think the budget for Star Trek TOS was so low, that the "Klingons" looked very much like people. I thought I even spotted the string, for the objects supposedly being flung around by these alien/people with "telekenesis" abilities, who could move things by just thinking, in the episode "Plato's Children.") People seem to pretty much know that people are more important than everything else, every channel on TV is people-people-people. I haven't really questioned so much whether there is something wrong with cartoon animals acting like people, because if in the cartoons, dogs behaved only like dogs, and cats like cats, and mice like mice, wouldn't that be rather boring? But when I watch Charlotte's Web with my little nephews, I joke about when they are going to get to the part where they eat Wilbur, the white pig. I mean that is the purpose of pigs isn't it, for humans to eat them. No, I don't think Bambi is so cute, but that Bambi belongs on my dinner plate. Wild animals are wild. They aren't really so cute as the movies make them out to be.

Swamped? With what? Water? People? Trash? I'm not so worried about the planet perhaps becoming eventually "swamped" with people, although actually quite unlikely for many various reasons, because more and more people would be glad to live, and people have so many compelling reasons to have as many children as they do, that I wouldn't dare argue against. I am pro-life, and I often say that pro-life is more consistantly pro-life when it is also pro-population. Swamped with trash? Littering is just plain disrepectful to one's many neighbors. That's what trash cans are for. The weeds don't care about the trash, for they just grow up through it and hide and obscure it. But trash is a thoughtless eyesore, and not condusive to the proper social graces. "Were you born in a barn?" (or maybe a pig stye?) people sometimes say. But is that talking about children forgetting and leaving the outside doors open, or about litterbugs? Water? Isn't that just plain silly? God said he would never flood the entire earth again. But the "global warming" swindlers seem to claim to believe, something other than that.

How is the planet "in trouble?" Does the planet have to fill out burdensome income tax forms? Does the planet get locked up in prison, for speaking out against the government or corporate abuses? Does the planet have quite a lot of "month" left at the end of its paycheck, after buying pricy milk and price-gouged gasoline? I find it dishonest in some way, for feign concern for "the environment," as a handy excuse to discount, belittle, or distract from abuses that affect real people.

Who are you, to say that the planet does feel? One wrong opinion against one right fact. Either way, people say that people are entitled to their opinion.

A smart person, probably sweeps the floor once in a while, and doesn't live in a pile of trash. But the environment, is for people, not for itself. If perhaps the planet could be said to be becoming "pregnant" with people, well "pregnancy" is a very normal and natural condition. It should be respected, not hidden in some tight girdle, shamed, or "terminated" or "aborted." The pantheistic/athiestic world view, that promotes earth worship, too much trends towards "curing" supposed "overpopulation" by imposing bizarre and unnatural population "control" upon the people. But the more pro-life or pronatalist, worship-God world view, tends towards "Well if the planet is becoming pregnant with people, in a manner of speaking, then let it wear 'maternity clothes' and bulge proudly." It's all the more people to worship God. "The more the merrier," they often say. "God will provide," people of faith tend to believe. "Love thy neighbor as thyself," Jesus said. If we truly tried to do that, then why should it bother us, if our neighbors happen to be incredibly numerous?

 

As little packaging as possible? Oh, but have you considered, that people don't want to pay more in the price, to cover shoplifter "shrink?" Little packages of especially something expensive, too easily disappear into pockets or coats. So I see sometimes at a shopping club, ridiculously big packaging, and that would sometimes seem to be the reason, as a "reminder" to people, to actually pay for the product.

But sometimes I see a product, with excessive or characteristically overly large packaging, compared to similar products. It's ridiculous, when the product won't hardly fit into an equal-sized peghook space, because of a huge blister-wrap plastic, and yet there's hardly anything in there to justify taking up so much space. I sometimes wonder, "Where's the enviro-wackos, when you need one?" What do I want a huge blister-wrap for? (So I can go snow-sledding in it?) Didn't I see something in Consumer Reports of some bag-of-air award? I forget what term they called it. That's even more insulting to customers. To open a bag of cookies, to find nearly half of it, all empty space. Sometimes the overly-large packaging, seems to be a ploy at competing for more shelf-space, and thus, more customer notice. Of course, such in-your-face advertising, could be a turn-off to some.

I wouldn't buy the canvas shopping bags. Whatever for? What store, that sells many items, doesn't already provide shopping carts or baskets? And think about it. If you can't hold the items in your hands, what 1 or 2 bags, will hold them all either? Even canvas bags, are yet another item to buy. Maybe just buy less? I see even cheap bag coolers for sale, apparently as just some collapable container to try to keep your food cold until you get home. But my sister keeps a hard cooler in her van, just for that purpose. If knows they are shopping for groceries, why mess around with a cheap wanna-be-a-cooler-too, when one can use a real cooler?

If you want "as little packing as possible," what of "nature's packaging?" Isn't that sort of what you get, at farmers' markets? Food in its own natural package or skin? And I suspect, they give you free plastic bags, too, as most people probably want more than 1 or 2 oranges or bananas or cantelopes or mellons or ears of corn. My Dad used to bury old orange peels and such, out in the garden. It does seem that "nature's package," composts and rots more readily than manmade materials. Perhaps that's why people like artificial containers more. We don't like for our food, to rot too fast.

I heard something on TV, about how they market things like cheese. In Europe, I think they said, cheese is "alive." (It would make more sense, had you seen the TV program. I can't explain it so well.) But in the U.S. cheese is "dead" so we seal it all up in plastic.

 

Funny how it seems to work out that way. Perhaps a lack of trash-compaction, but why would one need a kitchen trash compactor, when the trash truck has one?

But then, many people don't really want to wait until the trash is full or running over, to take it out. That just doesn't work so well, if much of the trash is food or smelly diapers.

And is it better to put food, down the garbage disposal? I'm not so sure, because plumbers aren't cheap. I don't imagine all that food, is so good for drainage pipes? At least I know that the trash can won't clog.

BTW, I rarely throw much if any food away. I am such a packrat, and I actually do a very good job, at finishing off my leftovers. It's all the less stuff to have to go out and buy. I should throw more stuff away, so that piles of old mail, wouldn't clutter my home. But actually think I am going to read that stuff, and pieces of secondhand newspapers, someday.

 

Uh, I don't think the greedy corporations would like that.

Most all the TV commercials really say, "Buy! Buy! Buy! and then you will be happy." Sort of like the proverbial dumb donkey, chasing the carrot, attacked to itself on a stick, that it can never quite catch up with.

 

I use hemp totes.....but you can even get totes from Whole Foods and places like that for about a buck a piece (and then they give you 10 cents off your purchase for every bag you bring).....as far as using plastic bags for dog poop and stuff...you can purchase biodegradable poop bags (I have them and they are great) and we use a burlap sack to line our trash can (we only have one in the kitchen....almost everything can either be recycled or composted) Just some ideas!

 

It needs to be lined, so to have something to carry the trash out in, and because probably most "normal" people, or at least people with children, tend to have messy trash or stinky diapers.

But I reuse the bags I get from the supermarket, to carry out my trash, so they are "free" for me.

 

pronatalist, where does the garbage go after the truck takes it away?

this isnt about litter, its about landfill. burning garbage creates pollution. burying it can devastate water supply. the sheer quantity is mounting. why do we produce so much stuff to just throw away? in a world of limited resources, it could be wise to minimalize the ammount of junk we produce... hmm?

what planet are you living on?

the arrogance of the religious attitude: "humans are superior to animals and plants, and everything on earth exists to serve us." when science shows us that humans are no different from animals. we are exceptional animals, but dont pretend we are anything more than fearful creatures focused on survival like everything else. the delusion of god has no place in a serious discussion of the earth or the life that has evolved here.

 

Well obviously, not everybody is going to use cloth diapers. And besides, that is such an old debate, about whether cloth or disposable is supposedly "better" for the environment. It turns out, that cloth uses hot water and bleach for cleaning, so wasn't the last verdict on the matter, that it makes little difference, and really supposedly what makes the difference, is the number of baby's bottoms to be diapered? Well you know I of course, advocate natural human population expansion, so indirectly then, I must apparently also be arguing for increasing the volume of diaper wastes, as the cost of handling that, is trivial compared to the sacred value of each and every human life.

Even if you use cloth diapers, if people continue to love and have their precious darling children, to the extent that "natural increase" continues to increase, then the number of disposable diapers being used is going to increase anyway. And the true answer to the debate, is that people should use cloth or disposable, whichever makes it easier for them to have more of God's precious darling children that he blesses us with. Cloth if it is cheaper, or disposable for convenience or dryer for baby. And these days, people are too busy, so most people seem to prefer disposable.