Ask A Pedophile thread

good for you, thats incredible and awesome

 

I've heard that inmates in prison do very interesting and creative things to people like your father, or is this just wishful thinking on my part?

 

As far as *I'M* concerned they are one in the same.

 

Child molesters are usually paedophiles, but paedophiles aren't necessarilly child molestors.

 

No, studies have shown the majority of people who molest children are not sexually attracted them.

 

I'm not buying that for a second.

 

I didn't know about that...I think I'll become a supporter tommorow. You rule Skip!

It's not just Christianity that has laid a major guilt trip on people over their bodily functions...and it's not even just the Abrahamics. Hinduism can get pretty extremist in this regard(Hare Krishna's come to mind), Buddhism I'd imagine has had some moments, Jainism has extreme ascetism, Gnosticism, Sikhism.etc.etc. Nearly of the worlds major religions have had some hang ups about sex, or at least have had strains of believers who had hang ups.
That's how I view it anyway...some people have the hang-ups, and they're going to be there whether the religion, be it Christianity or whatever, is there or not. These people just use their religion to control and dominate others.
Yes, the OT has a whole load of rules & regulations on sex, but it also has some freaky ass stuff going on in there as well(both of Lot's daughters getting him drunk and then taking turns having their way with him in order to get pregnant). Jesus again talks of sex and relationships a little, but that was only a tiny part of His message. I think the whole sex becoming an obsession for Christianity started because a.)the majority have sex on their mind whether they like it or not, and b.)the Bible, or at least the OT, was written in Hebrew, and filled with hidden and secret meanings, gotten through the use of Gemaitria and the such. It wasn't meant to be read by the common lay-person, but studied by learned Rabbi's, who could see the hidden meanings. They give the literal version to the lay-peoples, but also use the secret meaning to make sure they didn't become so focused on "Thou shalt not...". With Chrisianity, these hidden meanings were ignored, and sex became simply another way to control people. You control people's sex lives, and you control them. Just look at Patty Hearst. It's been theorised that DeFreeze and Wolfe raped her and that this was a part of a larger scheme of brainwashing. Look at Jonestown, or Heavensgate. Look at the last few thousands years of human history. Sex and death(Thanateros) are the two main driving forces of human endeavour. The fear of death, and the desire of sex. Those who need or want control will use these two, in however subtle a fashion they chose, to control their victims. Until we no longer fear death, and live for every moment of every day as if it were our last, and no longer treat sex as some taboo subject, but as a way of expressing love, connecting with G-d or simply getting our "ya-ya's" out, and we begin to fuck on every street corner and laugh at every cloud and follow every butterfly, we will always be totally susceptible to mind control and thought domination. But when we control our own sex lives and our own destiny as if there was no tomorrow, we'll be completely free.

Actually, I can see this making some sense ...kind of like how rape isn't about sex, or at least not just the sex, but the power and sense of control. I'd like to see these studies for myself though. Linksies, anyone?

 

I think it would be fun to torture pedophiles just for sport. Maybe just put them in the ufc against real fighters with no tapping out. Can you imagine John Mark Carr(the Jon Benet killer wannabee) going up against Chuck Liddell or even Shawn SHerk. ANyway I think that people who committ REAL sex crimes especially against kids should at least be castrated.

 

I give up. It's impossible to break the ignorance of people who won't accept the fact that there's a difference bettween simple attraction and those who will abduct a child. You all think I'm just like those on To Catch A Predator. There's no need to pit me against Ortiz, Shamrock, or Liddell. I can take care of all that myself. Feel free to fucking celebrate now. 1 monster down, a million to go, but every death of a pedophile is a victory, right?

 

how old were you when you realized or decided that you were a pedophile? what was your initial reaction? do you find it to be a natural or unnatural inclination? do you think it is particularly harmful bahavior to sexually involved with a child? (talking about strictly opinion, not any kind of accusation)

I realize that is a lot of questions, but am very curious to hear your responses. I will be as open-minded as possible.

 

this should be more mature. sorry, not a monster, for the assholes.

some of us would like to have insight into the problem to fix it, not make more victims.

 

You're on the right track here!
Along those lines, I'm thinking this.
Take the pedo and give him Sodium Pentathol.
Find out what his 5 worst fears are.
Then subject him to each of them in random order,
over and over and over again!

 

I personally believe that pedophiles should be castrated and committed to mental hospitals. Unless they have actually raped a child, execution is a bit extreme. But that's just my opinion...

 

Note: This post is not intended as an insult towards any particular individual(s). However, I will be very open and blunt with my speach and I hope no one takes it personally. I apologize for the length of the post.

The ignorance and stupidity of some of these comments disgusts me. Like the person who started this thread, I too am attracted (though not exclusively) to children, and no, I do NOT "act on my 'urges'", as you people like to put it, nor do I view illegal images, and I have little to no tolerance for an adult who coerces a child into sex.
However, I have even less tolerance for the ignorant nazi bigotry coming from the members of this board. It seems impossible to do so much as mention the subject of an adult attracted to children without at least two thirds of the listeners foaming at the mouths like bloodthirsty cannibals before spewing out some senseless verbal diarrhea of profanity and sadistic torture fantasies. So far, none of them have managed to provide any logical justification for hating (much less torturing and murdering) a person, simply because of his/her thoughts and feelings.
Ironically, the zealots who fanatically cough up this self-righteous nonsense are usually completely ignorant -- or at least poorly informed -- on the subject they are so mindlessly rambling on about -- much like the white supremacist who goes on harping about his hatred for non-caucasians despite the fact that he has little to no experience with anyone from a culture or ethnicity other than his own.
For most of these people, the bulk of their knowledge about pedophilia comes from myths and urban legends they've been spoon-fed by pop culture and the media. Among others, these include the notions that:

-all/most pedophiles/ephebophiles are child molesters
-all pedophiles are likely/certain to molest children when given the oportunity
-all/most child molesters are pedophiles/ephebophiles

Hopefully, debunking these myths will cure at least a few here of their delusions, allowing them to wake up and deal with reality from a rational perspective. As for the rest, I can only pity you. "You can lead a jackass to water but you can't make him drink."

Myth#1. All/most pedophiles/ephebophiles are child molesters:
I think this has been dealt with throughout most of this thread. A paedophile (from Greek pais/paedo[child] and -philia [love,friendship,fondness]; literally: "one who is fond of children") is defined as an adult or adolescent who is primarilly attracted to prepubescent children, while an ephebophile (from Greek ephebo-[youth] and -philia [love, friendship, fondness]; literally: "one who is fond of youth") is an adult who is primarilly attracted to adolescents. A person is classified as a pedophile/ephebophile because of his/her feelings alone, not because of their actions.
Unfortunately, this explaination isn't enough for some. They need a reason to cling to that narrow, blindsighted view of pedophilia that they've been fed like dogs their entire lives. They simply have to find some excuse to condemn others as evil, sick and subhuman vermin because of an attraction, because of their thoughts and feelings (the only people in history who refered to members of their own species as "subhuman" and "vermin who should be extinguished" were Adolf Hitler and others like him). Someone attracted to children just has to be dangerous in some way, otherwise there is no justification, no logical reason to hate them, which leads us to the next myth...

Myth#1-A. All paedophiles are likely/certain to molest children when given the oportunity:
There is a common belief that being attracted to children somehow gives one less control over one's actions than the rest of society, that when in the presence of the child, an adult attracted to minors will lose his/her free will and all capacity for rational thought will vanish. A favorite word used by proponents of this myth is "urge", to imply that, unlike the rest of society, this person's actions are not uder his control. This is, of course, completely ridiculous.
As much as self-righteous fanatics would like to deny it, the only difference between a paedophile and a teleiophile is the object of one's attraction (I know, this fact may sting a bit). Having an attraction that lies outside of the norm does not give a person less control over one's impulses. Although abstinence for an exclusive pedophile (a pedophile who is attracted only to children) will likely result in sexual frustration, this is no reason for him/her to lose his/her ability to make decisions.
The same accusations were (and unfortunately, still are) made towards homosexuals. There are still many heterosexual men who who are afraid of being left alone in the same room with a gay man out of fear that he might lose control over his "urges" and begin fondling them in a sexual way, or even attempt to rape them. One might as well assume that an unattractive geek in highschool who can't get a date is doomed to begin sexually harassing, and eventually raping his female classmates. Fact is, paedophilia is in essence an attraction towards a person one cannot have. Have any of you ever felt compelled to rape a person whom you wanted but could not be with? I sure as hell hope not.

Myth#2. All/most child molesters are pedophiles:
When a child is kidnapped, raped or otherwise sexually abused, the general public's automatic reaction is to assume "A pedophile did it!" Afterall, pedophiles are attracted to children, aren't they? And what other motive for rape could there possibly be other than a rapist's sexual attraction to his victim? Unfortunately, reality is not that simplistic.
It is a commonly known fact (one that anyone who takes the time to do the research will come across) that the motives for most rapes are not sexual attraction to the victim. The most common motives are *power*. Child molestation (which is a form of rape) is no different. Contrary to popular belief, there is not one but several different types of child molesters: the surrogate type, the sadistic type, and the pedophilic type.
The surrogate type makes up most cases of child sexual abuse. This is an adult who is primarilly attracted other adults, but due to the inability to find an adult partner (often due to poorly developed social skills) he/she takes a child as a surrogate partner, since the child is available, more vulnurable and less likely to resist. In other words, these people don't care whether it's a child or an adult (actually they would normally prefer an adult). They simply want an orifice where they can insert their member. They only take children out of practical reasons, not because they find them more attractive. Therefore, they do not fit the psychological definition of pedophilia.


Even after reading this information, many of you will insist on maintaining your delusions and remaining in your irrational comfort zones. If you hate and advocate the torture and murder of anyone based on their feelings alone (something that is none of your business anyway) then you are a Nazi! No better term exists. This has NOTHING to do with any of the ethical issues surrounding sex between children and adults. There is NO logical justification for viewing someone (who does not cause harm to others) as subhuman, simply because their attraction doesn't fit into your narrow-minded view of 'normal'. You may try to rationalise this bigotry as much as you want, and you may find all the petty excuses you can to make a person with that attraction appear "dangerous" and "evil".
As for those of you who wish for me to seek help: something requires treatment only when it causes harm either to oneself or others (which is not the case for me). Unless you still believe in that made-up excuse that I am a ticking time bomb because of my attraction. If you think I should change myself simply because my feelings are immoral, then read the preceding paragraph.
Before I realized, or rather before I admitted to myself that I had this attraction, my feelings towards pedophilia were not too different from yours (only I didn't use the terms "subhuman vermin that should be exterminated!" nor was I so fascinated by medieval torture fantasies). Basically, I also thought all pedophiles were child molesters who deserved to be raped by their inmates in jail. It's only when you realize you have those feelings too that endulging in those little orgies of self-righteous condemnation ain't that much fun anymore.

 

So, a person should be castrated for their thoughts? A person should be physically deformed for their thoughts? Most paedophiles don't chose to be so, but you're suggesting that, even if they harm no-one, they should be physically assaulted and deformed? Shows who the real monsters are.

As am I.

Oh, and thanks Enyu for your insightful post, might help to bring a little bit of rationality to the thread!

 

I bet there are certain things
(obviously not this issue)
that would drive you as far over
the edge as we have gone.
Everyone has their breaking point.
This is ours.
It makes us resort to our instincts,
to destroy to the best of our ability,
those that would harm our children.

But you have yours too,
or I think that if you don't,
then you are less than a human,
because what I speak of,
is only human nature,
at its most basic level.

And if you think you don't have a breaking point,
be careful before you say so,
because there are things about ourselves
that we don't know without some soul searching.

You just proved that yourself with your own words.

"Before I realized, or rather before I admitted to myself that I had this attraction, my feelings towards pedophilia were not too different from yours"

 

I couldn't have put it any better, AncientHippie.

Enyu, you may claim you would never act on your attraction. but the fact you even admit that attraction triggers the rage of most people, particularly people who have been molested when they were younger.

Go ahead and admit out loud to some parent that you find his/her child sexually attractive. Assure them you would never act on it. See what sort of response you get. I doubt any parent you'd approach with that declaration would be interested in your protests that you'd never harm his/her child.

 

I think the big issue here is the idea of predation, and I think the statutory rape law addresses this (at least where I live) at least in its enforcement if not in the letter of the law. If a minor has sex with a minor that's not statutory rape, and if an 18 year old has sex with a 17 year old it's not exactly statutory rape either because their ages are so close. But if a 24 year old has sex with a 17 year old that's rape. I think there is a two year age difference from adult to minor that is allowed.

The problem here is you have someone that is an adult, matured, aware of the world in their own way and functioning within it. Then you have a child. Think about yourself (if you're an adult) at 16 or younger, did you have the understanding you have now of everything? If so you might have a lot of growing up to do! So for a person to try and mask over their actions as love or just innocent urges really is neglecting the very important fact that CHILDREN ARE NOT ON THE SAME MENTAL PLAYING FIELD AS ADULTS.

Too many of the bloodthirsty people focus only on the sex act and get angered. The problem is the mental damage it does to children. Of course the pedophile or the one doing the looking or acting is lobbying for more understanding because they aren't the ones harmed by their actions. It's selfish really.

If you're staring at kids at a park that could be a very unpleasant feeling for them, and years down the road could be not such a nice memory to have. Let alone anyone that decides to take action on their desires. It's not fair to make assumptions that you're doing no harm since: YOU'RE NOT ON THE RECEIVING END.

Children don't understand things the same way adults do, notice, they don't understand them wrong or less, it's just not the same, and that difference of playing fields is what makes this behavior unacceptable. It's taking advantage of someone who doesn't have the life experiences and/or mental capacity/understanding to make a complete ADULT decision. This is what is missing from any minor on minor experimentation.

Moreover; an eye for an eye only leaves all those who chose to take eyes blind, not everyone in the world.