Abortion

Discussion in 'Men's Issues' started by groovydude, Jul 10, 2007.

  1. Riggs

    Riggs Banned

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    Than why did you show me nude pictures of yourself then? I never ask you to do so.
    I'm not as nasty as you want these people to think I am. Go bother some other poor guy now.
     
  2. Ocean of Love

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    I never show you nude of me, thats a poster of a photomodel!

    But I suppose that what you are doing now is what you mean by friendship and being a friend..huh!?

    You said that i need getting laid, just because i say i do not wear trousers.
    Thats a bit extreeme and offending, dont you think?

    And i dont want people to think you are nasty, you are the one implying that I am, not me.
    I have just pointed out that what you just said to me was dirty, because it is.
    And it is to oyu not to other, and if you want to tlak about this then you should use pm to do so, and not forum posts.

    And what you just wrote above just prove that you are nasty, and it is you who wrote it, not me.

    Stop offending me in forums as you do all the time non stop and for no reasons at all and it will be much better, and stop taking up in forums stuff you should discuss with me in private.
    If you dont want to discuss it in pm, then dont say a word about it at all in the forums either!

    i would also like more respect and for you to comment on my post about abortion instead.

    Thanks

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  3. Riggs

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    Oh, you lie.
     
  4. Ocean of Love

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    No I dont, and this is pm stuff so go in Pm now Mel!
    we have things to discuss ASAP.

    I do not lie, you talk to me with disrespect all the time and agress me all the time and if you have an issue to adress then do so in PM and not here!
    Beside I thougth that things told in private stayed private, if not tell me so I could also talk about your masturbation sessions but i wont.

    The lie is to deny that there is an issue to be discuss and to ignore it and instead to go here to empty it publicly about htings who are netirely unrelated to the topic.

    Adress it as they shall, in Pm, and about what it is about.
    You say you are here to be friend, then show me you are a friend.
    Talking disrespectfully to me in public is not being a friend.

    Go in Pm indtead. And stop to exhib me.
     
  5. mortes

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    I could ask a girl to have an abortion, Hell I could punch her in the stomach if she needed me too. There's no issue here to me.
     
  6. Riggs

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    Oh, tell me that was a bad joke.
     
  7. Riggs

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    I speak the truth. If you feel it is being disrespectful..sorry.
     
  8. Hyzenthlay

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    I've had one, very brief, pregnancy scare, and had my boyfriend hint that he wouldn't like it if I kept the baby. He'd stay home from college if he had to - if I REALLY wanted to raise the thing - but he had a preference.

    I wasn't offended at all. I didn't want to throw either of our lives away. I wasn't going to go through the trauma of labour. Thankfully, I wasn't pregnant (we found out that, ironically, it was just my body adjusting to the pill that kept my period from happening) but if I had been, I would've been on abortion instantly.
    I loved my friends more then than ever, because all of them respected that choice, emphasized birth control, and didn't stoop to calling me a "baby-killer" or some other such drivel.
    Men are allowed to have a voice. It isn't as big of one as the woman's, when it comes to abortion, but it is there. As long as you do it tactfully and understand that some women will get offended and some won't, I don't see a problem.
     
  9. Ocean of Love

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    You know very well that what is saĆ­d privatly between friends stay private. What you do is call betrayal of trust.
    being true or not isnt the point. It is call gossiping on your friends back.

    if you mean that you are sorry, and I believe that you do, then remove it.
    i know things about you but it doesnt mean that I go and spread it around on a public sphere.
    It is call respect, and foundation of trust.
    If you and I cant be sure that what i tell you and what you tell me remain between us, then there is no trust possible.
    Thats the basic.
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    If unwanted children were ever guarranteed fantastic adoptive homes, I don't think this would ever be a problem. But they aren't.

    So it's still up to the people responsible for the cell division to decide.
     
  11. Ocean of Love

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    This one was really rude.
    Do you know that there is actualy guys doing so to their pregnant wife or gf because they dont want the baby but she want it?
    So that they get a miscarriage..
    And that there is men beating their pregnant wife in the stomach while she is pregnant even afdvanced pregnancy, because they know it hurts as hell, and will damage the baby for ever, and can provocate a miscariage and kill both the mother and the baby?

    It wasnt funny to say that.
     
  12. Ocean of Love

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    My father did it to my mum when she was nine months pregnant of me, during one hour.
    Must be why I've got brain damage!

    She survived, but had to stay in bed the rest of the pregnancy, and I wasnt born before the 11th month!
    I was very healthy, and the birth also went very well, and took only a few minutes. When the doc and the midwife arrived, I was already born.
    My mum told me that i came through like a mail in the postbox!
    She had just time to phone, and ups! I was borned. It was her easiest delivery out of 8 childrens.
    And I was big, and very healthy, as each week over the 9 months, is like one month if the child was born.
    Maybe I didnt want to go out in a world that was so violent and harsh.
    And my mum didnt wanted to provocate the birth, because of what had happened, so she waited.
    But talking of beating a pregnant woman in the stomach, as a funny stuff isnt right.

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  13. spooner

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    This is a bad joke.





















    Because we all know stairways and coathangers work better.
     
  14. groovydude

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    That was low. think about what you did.
     
  15. Mlynn

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    I think these issues should be talked through before a couple has sex. Ultimatley - I think I would be hurt and offended if a man asked me or expected me to abort a pregnancy. Even if I was considering abortion at the time.

    I don't think men understand WHAT is it that they are asking of a woman when they expect her to abort a pregnancy. SHE and ONLY SHE will have to live with the concequences of those actions. She will have to deal with the physical surgery, the emotional issues that can arise afterwords, many women suffer when making the choice to abort because it is what is best for them - but having another person ask you or expect you to take on that suffering because a pregnancy's is inconvient or unwanted for them is HIGHLY insensitive. I would question weather or not the man had any care or concern for me and what I am dealing with - or if he is only thinking of himself. Honestly it is something I can see myself ending a relationship over - especially if I felt coersed or pushed into abortion agianst my will.

    Maybe men are just ignorant of what it is that they are expecting women to do for them. I don't know why they think it is as easy as just making an apointment at a clinic - maybe because it's something that they will never have to do or be able to experience.
     
  16. Mlynn

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    I also wanted to add that abortion is the best option for some women. Abortion is a choice - like parenting and adoption. Each individual will make the choice that is best for themselves. Adoption isin't the best, right, or only option for every single woman on the planet. I hate it when people pretent like it is the magic cure for unplanned pregnancy's. Women are NOT birth objects for the infertile. Just because some couple WANTS her baby doesn't mean she has any obligation to go through 10 months of gestation, labor, and birth for thier benifit. Those childless couples could easily live with thier losses (the way people seem to think pregnant women should live with thier losses, give away thier children like it's so easy, and move on with thier lives) and live child free or give of themselves to children that are in need and who are already born. They don't NEED any woman's baby for themselves. I myself am anti-adoption (for my own pregnancy's). Any fetuses I gestate will be children that I myself will raise. If I am unable to parent then I will not gestate an embryo or a fetus until such a time when I am ready to be a fully functioning parent who has the nessicary life style and ability to provide and care for a child's needs. That IS a responsible decision for ME and the future of my family.
     
  17. noachianite

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    Simple principal:

    "Dont want babies? Dont have sex!"
     
  18. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    That is true, and something that male christians should think about. If they did this it wouldn't be an issue. Women can't become pregnant without male intervention.
     
  19. Hyzenthlay

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    Oh, please. "Don't want babies, don't have sex"? I'm sorry, but that's just an unrealistic proposal.

    Look, the only people I know who REALLY follow that are hardcore Catholics. Unless you have sex purely for procreation and don't believe in condoms, then you believe in having sex without babies. Anyone who uses the pill, male condoms, female condoms, IUDs, the minipill, or spermicide is clearly making a subtle decision that the TINY risk of pregnancy is worth it to enjoy the emotional and physical pleasures of sex.

    I like sex. I don't like babies at this point in time. Therefore, I'm doing everything I can to protect myself from the burden of children (and yes, I would call it a BURDEN - not everyone adores children and finds them to be the "ultimate gift" at every stage of life or in every circumstance, and again, that's just the reality). Why would you doom somone who hates children to never have sex? Because I have friends who detest children and always will, but I would never say "Okay, just never do it, then." I think some people just need to deal with that fact, and instead of demonize those who decide to value their careers/lives over clumps of cells, advocate better sexual education so that kids who get jiggy with it know what the hell they're doing.
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Then why demonize the women that accidently become pregnant by your friends. Why force them to have children that may never find homes.
     

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