Is meditation a nessicity to achieve nirvana?

Just wondering is you have to meditate to achieve enlightment what if there is something physically wrong with you and you cant meditate?

 

What do you think meditation is and the purpose for it?

What, besides being dead can be so physically wrong that you can't meditate?

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First, we have to define meditation. But, I think the truthful answer to the title of the post (forgetting there being something physically wrong) is a decided no. I've read about monks who achieved enlightenment (not necessarily permanent, total liberation, but they "saw") by simply listening to the sounds of farmers plowing the fields or cutting down grain. The veil can be lifted at any moment by anything, you just have to see.

 

Depends on which school of Buddhism is in question. Ch'an/Zen would probably say yes and one adherent has said this emphatically in my presence. Pure Landers would probably go with no. Jodo Shinshu actually would discourage the practice if it leads to feelings of pride, arrogance, feelings of accomplishment, etc.

Other schools no doubt have they're own take, these are just the ones I'm most familiar with.

 

i would argue that mediation is key. until you can silence your Ego, your mind will be clouded and frenzied, giving way an inherent state of suffering because of its complete focus on the manifest universe which consists innately of suffering and the illusion of otherness. I disagree with those who promote LSD as a means to achieve enlightenment, because in my experience it has had the effect of kickstarting my ego back to its original state of functioning in the weeks after taking it.

 

you may not achieve nirvana from lsd but it opens up your mind so you may start on the path to reality. shrooms did it for me, i took to many and realized theirs more to existence than my narrow view.

"i dream therefore i am not."

 

Enlightenment and Nirvana are not necessarily the same thing. Neither is Enlightenment and Self-Realisation the same thing.

In Nirvana that is a cessation of everything, even thinking consciousness itself. So "who" is there to experience it? What did you feel when you were in your mother's womb before you were born? Did you think? Did you feel? Did you feel what your mother felt? Did you think what your mother thought?

Enlightenment just happens, it is acausal. (Zen). One can do all sorts of sadhanas, but ultimately Spring comes when it comes: there is nothing you can do to bring it earlier. The flowers will bloom when they bloom, all they need is the natural conditions. U. G. Krishnamurti says that anything you do will cause you to be further away from it. The natural state is probably closest to deep sleep, like being back in the womb before one is born. The Self-Realised person abides in this natural state always. Buddha is said to have never moved while asleep. The mystic is aware in all three states. He is separate from thinking. (Otherwise you could never fall asleep.)

As far as meditation goes, just constantly look at your thoughts, your reactions, trace back the origin of all thought. Then meditation can be an "always" thing. Making it a habit should create the same conditions in the dream state. Then one can meditate while dreaming. One can meditate as one goes to sleep, one can meditate as one starts to wake up. Just constantly look at your own consciousness, look at the thoughts consciousness is aware, and not aware, of. You may be able to detect the divergence of thinking from your own consciousness as you start to fall asleep, seeing it actually separate from you, like driving down the interstae, coming upon a city, then watching it separate and disappear to the right as the road veers to the left.

It is very revealing to see thought forming as one becomes awake. It is disconcerning to realise when one has completely alien thoughts, totally different from what one's consciousness is used to thinking. You may start to wonder if you are not reading someone else's mind. You may (from my own experience) be able to fore tell the future. What do you do then?

 

It would be pretty difficult to get liberated without using the mind to do it. Those who are morally conflicted or have problems even thinking, certainly cannot settle down into the silence of their own nature and so how will they become knowledgable about it. For this reason one is supposed to realize that if they are of natural basic human quality then they should consider how precious that is, and make some headway with self knowledge while there is still time, as maybe tomorrow your knees also will get sore when sitting and then how will you meditate then? Best to get cracking.

 

i would ask, is nervana neccessary to achieve eternal piece of mind. i don't think meditation is about neccessity, so much as the usefullness of clearing our minds, especially of the mutual coerciveness of the rest of society that prevents us from seeing much of anything as it really is.

of course i'm not an any one thingist, so i hope i'm not speaking out of turn saying this, and it is just my one personal perspective.

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I don't think nirvana is different from peace of mind.

 

attaining nirvana without knowing how to meditate is like learning how to fly without knowing how to land

 

Yes, you have to meditate to reach nibbana. The monks who reached enlightenment by watching others plow could have only reached total liberation that way by calming their minds enough to see whatever it is they saw to free themselves from samsara. Now, meditation is not limited to sitting cross legged on the floor. ALL activities can be a form of meditation, as long you focus single-mindedly on what you are doing. That's all meditation is, one pointed focus of the mind. Much metta to all

 

I know this goes against not using intoxicants.

I find that psychedelic drugs (i.e. LSD) can be used to reach Nirvana.

Expand your mind.

 

You can't see Nirvana since Kurt is dead man.

But seriously, Nirvana can only be reached through yourself. There are different ways of doing that. Just find out which one is yours

 

I find this post interesting.

Especially since if you "find" something then that means you have "foud" it for yourself. So that must mean that you have achieved Nirvana.

What I find most interesting is that anyone who has achieved Nirvana will never come to a place like this to tell anyone about it. Yes, that's right, I said "never".

Unless, of course, you are referring to a type of Nirvana that is not the Buddhist concept (or lack of concept) regarding Nirvana.

In Buddhism, Nirvana (pali: Nibbana) is freedom from ignorance, and more to the point, freedom from what motivates action, that is greed, ill-will and delusion. Having been freed from the motivating factors one finds no pleasure on "surfing" the internet, or engaging in disputes and debates on the internet. And most certainly will not say things like, "the things you find pleasurable will free you from pleasure," or "the things you find unpleasant will free you from anger and hatred," or "ignorance will free you from delusion."

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i can't meditate either, as far as it goes

but i can walk

and when i walk, i am sometimes able to achieve something pretty clear in my head

what i get seems a bit like what meditation is supposed to give

so, don't get hung up on technique, find your own way to break loose

 

Perhaps they might come for a different reason.

 

"meditation is not meditation"

 

Yes, perhaps!

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